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What was the point of that shorty clip? Give it to me in full context.
btw, I voted for Ronnie in'84. In '80 it was for John Anderson and I still have the t-shirt.
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btw, I voted for Ronnie in'84. In '80 it was for John Anderson and I still have the t-shirt.
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I just listened to Reagan's speech and he didn't say anything racist. He mentioned some kind of institutional program that was done with out federal government assistance. Not sure what he was referring to.
On the other hand why was Reagan choosing a small rural county in a small state where sixteen years prior four civil rights worker's were murdered by Nebosha County Sheriff deputy Cecil Price and local KKK members.
If four Republican Party members were murdered years prior would it not be likely that Reagan would of mentioned them.
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Laughter.
Reagan was being heckled, he told em to shut up. Reagan is being accused of being a racist in this thread. I thought it would be funny to have him respond. As I'm sure he would've found the accusation similar to how he felt about that heckler.
Cool. I was too young to vote in '84. I've voted in every election since. Including tonight on my way home from work
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A political staff screw-up, much the same as when he went to the German cemetery--Bittsburg-- w/ SS members buried there during the Normandy 50th.
I am just waiting for Vip to come back at me and btw he and I are friends.
I think it's unfair to judge people of yesterday with assumptions, & or subjective interpretations. I've not seen any evidence that Reagan was a racist. I think he was a great man.
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Yes is was funny ... You learning well from OBJ
He was race baiting...
No staffer mistake...
States' rights" had for decades been a rallying slogan for racial segregationists, including Strom Thurmond in 1948 and George Wallace in 1968, and several press writers interpreted Reagan's use of the phrase according to that tradition. Columnist Bob Herbert of The New York Times wrote, "Everybody watching the 1980 campaign knew what Reagan was signaling at the fair," and that it "was understood that when politicians started chirping about 'states' rights' to white people in places like Neshoba County they were saying that when it comes down to you and the blacks, we're with you".[10] Paul Krugman, also of the Times, noted that a Republican national committee member from Mississippi had urged Reagan to speak at the county fair, as it would help win over "George Wallace-inclined voters", and wrote that this was just one of many examples of "Reagan's tacit race-baiting in the historical record."[11]
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I don't care what Herbert & Krugman said nearly 30years later (post Reagan's death).
Looks like the overwhelming majority of the nation thought Reagan a pretty good candidate....
Even more so, after he had 4 years on the job....
Doubt we'll ever see electoral maps that look like this again (in either color).
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More context, my bold:
In 1980, one of the major party presidential nominees opened his general election by delivering a speech in a small town in the Deep South that just by coincidence happened to be the national headquarters of the Ku Klux Klan. That same candidate had previously complained about federal housing policies which attempted “to inject black families into a white neighborhood just to create some sort of integration.” He argued that there was “nothing wrong with ethnic purity being maintained.” That candidate was President Jimmy Carter, the Democratic nominee.
Carter kicked off his general election campaign with a speech in Tuscumbia, Alabama. Although the Klan’s headquarters were located in that small town, Carter was not appealing to the Klan vote, but was instead hoping to win the votes of the more than 40,000 people who saw him speak at the town’s annual Labor Day fair. Perhaps Carter chose to start his general election campaign in rural Alabama because he recognized that Reagan might take away some of the southern states that had been crucial to Carter’s win in 1976. As things turned out, Carter was right to be concerned; he ended up losing Alabama by 1%.
After the Republicans nominated Ronald Reagan in Detroit in July, he gave his first post-convention speech in New Jersey, near the Statue of Liberty. While the informal opening date of the general election campaign is traditionally Labor Day, Reagan continued to campaign during August, and on August 3, 1980, spoke at the Neshoba County Fair in Mississippi. The Neshoba Fair is large and popular, which probably explains why Democratic Senator John Glenn campaigned there in 1983, when seeking the presidential nomination, and why Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis spoke there during the 1988 general election campaign, shortly after being nominated by the Democratic Convention.
http://volokh.com/2011/08/16/reagans-infamous-speech-in-philadelphia-mississippi/
In 1980, one of the major party presidential nominees opened his general election by delivering a speech in a small town in the Deep South that just by coincidence happened to be the national headquarters of the Ku Klux Klan. That same candidate had previously complained about federal housing policies which attempted “to inject black families into a white neighborhood just to create some sort of integration.” He argued that there was “nothing wrong with ethnic purity being maintained.” That candidate was President Jimmy Carter, the Democratic nominee.
Carter kicked off his general election campaign with a speech in Tuscumbia, Alabama. Although the Klan’s headquarters were located in that small town, Carter was not appealing to the Klan vote, but was instead hoping to win the votes of the more than 40,000 people who saw him speak at the town’s annual Labor Day fair. Perhaps Carter chose to start his general election campaign in rural Alabama because he recognized that Reagan might take away some of the southern states that had been crucial to Carter’s win in 1976. As things turned out, Carter was right to be concerned; he ended up losing Alabama by 1%.
After the Republicans nominated Ronald Reagan in Detroit in July, he gave his first post-convention speech in New Jersey, near the Statue of Liberty. While the informal opening date of the general election campaign is traditionally Labor Day, Reagan continued to campaign during August, and on August 3, 1980, spoke at the Neshoba County Fair in Mississippi. The Neshoba Fair is large and popular, which probably explains why Democratic Senator John Glenn campaigned there in 1983, when seeking the presidential nomination, and why Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis spoke there during the 1988 general election campaign, shortly after being nominated by the Democratic Convention.
http://volokh.com/2011/08/16/reagans-infamous-speech-in-philadelphia-mississippi/
Cool post man.
So.... were Carter, Glenn, & Dukakis racists too..? Or is all of that finger pointing, simply modern ideology, looking backwards..?
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A white Southerners view point on who is and who is not a racist must be examined against black people's opinion on that subject. That would be a good topic for a new thread.
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Merely seeking context as well as fairness. I try to look at things from both and many sides--although sometimes it comes with difficulty
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Not so sure of the political screw up" explanation". The buck in a presidential campaign has to stop at the candidate himself.
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I never said Reagan was a racist just that the Nebosha County Fair was an unusual place to announce a presidential campaign. Apparently not as unusual as I thought.
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Actually your quite wrong. Recently at the Nixon Library there is tape of then Governor Reagan calling President Nixon and calling African UN delegates " Monkey's who are uncomfortable in shoes" who were celebrating when the UN had a majority vote to recognize Communist China not Taiwan as the legitimate government of China. Although the US was opposed to that vote within a few years the US itself took the same position as did the UN in 1971.
Perhaps @O'Be Joyful can post the audio link with his magical powers.
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Could you expand on your comment here..? I want to be very clear on your point/intent, before I respond. What exactly are you saying, or what exactly is your suggestion here ..?
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Simply that it takes more then a word or an opinion from a white Southerner who is and who is not racist. Same for a white person from another section of the country.
To be fair and balanced we can't say Reagan is racist or not racist. We need to get other perspective's particularly from African Americans.
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