Confederate group in Silent Sam deal accused of violating tax and campaign finance laws

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Why is it that right-wing advocacy groups become corrupt.

https://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2020/01/confederate-tax-political-violations

The cavalry fees are paid in either cash or check, multiple members said. Members are told not to make such checks out to the organization itself, but instead to Bill Starnes, the cavalry’s former captain and SCV’s legislative officer. In an email last April, Starnes responded to concerns over his use of cavalry funds, saying the cavalry has never held a bank account. “We tend to have the cigar box in the gun safe approach,” Starnes wrote. “So the checks are made out to the Captain, ie, Bill Starnes, so they can be cashed.”

The membership collections, and other funds raised by the cavalry, have not been tracked for years, multiple members said. That could raise problems for the SCV, the cavalry or Starnes himself, according to Felicia Branch, attorney at Branch Tax Law Firm. “If they are writing checks to him as an individual, I don’t see how that’s not income to him,” Branch said. “A 501(c)(3) can charge membership dues, that’s tax-exempt. But he’s no

Multiple legal experts told the DTH that a tactic of this nature is blatantly illegal, regardless of the group's nonprofit status, known as “contributing in the name of another” under state law. Wallace said PAC solicitation should never occur at a 501(c)(3) organization meeting. He added that Flinchum’s participation and acknowledgement of the scheme is “in the nature of perjury,” given his role as PAC treasurer officially reporting contributions to the state.

“Contributions in the name of another constitute class II misdemeanors,” Wallace said in an email. “However, a statement made under oath, such as that made by a treasurer ‘knowing the information to be untrue,’ is guilty of a class I felony.”
 

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Why is it that right-wing advocacy groups become corrupt.

https://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2020/01/confederate-tax-political-violations

The cavalry fees are paid in either cash or check, multiple members said. Members are told not to make such checks out to the organization itself, but instead to Bill Starnes, the cavalry’s former captain and SCV’s legislative officer. In an email last April, Starnes responded to concerns over his use of cavalry funds, saying the cavalry has never held a bank account. “We tend to have the cigar box in the gun safe approach,” Starnes wrote. “So the checks are made out to the Captain, ie, Bill Starnes, so they can be cashed.”

The membership collections, and other funds raised by the cavalry, have not been tracked for years, multiple members said. That could raise problems for the SCV, the cavalry or Starnes himself, according to Felicia Branch, attorney at Branch Tax Law Firm. “If they are writing checks to him as an individual, I don’t see how that’s not income to him,” Branch said. “A 501(c)(3) can charge membership dues, that’s tax-exempt. But he’s no

Multiple legal experts told the DTH that a tactic of this nature is blatantly illegal, regardless of the group's nonprofit status, known as “contributing in the name of another” under state law. Wallace said PAC solicitation should never occur at a 501(c)(3) organization meeting. He added that Flinchum’s participation and acknowledgement of the scheme is “in the nature of perjury,” given his role as PAC treasurer officially reporting contributions to the state.

“Contributions in the name of another constitute class II misdemeanors,” Wallace said in an email. “However, a statement made under oath, such as that made by a treasurer ‘knowing the information to be untrue,’ is guilty of a class I felony.”
Of course the next question is " have any left wing advocacy groups committed IRS violations"? Maybe @Viper21 or @Andersonh1 knows.
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Of course the next question is " have any left wing advocacy groups committed IRS violations"? Maybe @Viper21 or @Andersonh1 knows.
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Another thread for that of course. However, my point is that when good right-wing advocacy is needed, it is not there.
There is one or more break off SCV groups.
 

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Another thread for that of course. However, my point is that when good right-wing advocacy is needed, it is not there.
There is one or more break off SCV groups.
Has a general rule especially in extreme politics ( which is of course a subjective term at best) the old saying " every one wants to be the chief no one wants to be the Indian" comes to mind. Only the good Lord or Great Pumpkin knows how many separate KKK and Nazi organizations there are.
A certain ex German enlisted man faced that problem with corrective measures.
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Has a general rule especially in extreme politics ( which is of course a subjective term at best) the old saying " every one wants to be the chief no one wants to be the Indian" comes to mind. Only the good Lord or Great Pumpkin knows how many separate KKK and Nazi organizations there are.
A certain ex German enlisted man faced that problem with corrective measures.
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I've run into that in organizations of all sorts and sizes.
 

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Of course the next question is " have any left wing advocacy groups committed IRS violations"? Maybe @Viper21 or @Andersonh1 knows.
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Nah.... groups like the Clinton Foundation are completely legit. Hell, taxpayers fund some left wing groups, even though a significant portion of actual taxpayers despise them. Planned Parenthood immediately comes to mind...
 

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Nah.... groups like the Clinton Foundation are completely legit. Hell, taxpayers fund some left wing groups, even though a significant portion of actual taxpayers despise them. Planned Parenthood immediately comes to mind...
The question is more do said groups on the "left" actually violate IRS guidelines.
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I've run into that in organizations of all sorts and sizes.
Then it's not one's political ideology that determines violation of IRS guidelines it's just individual avarcice? Your first post argued it's more of a right wing occurrence.

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Then it's not one's political ideology that determines violation of IRS guidelines it's just individual avarcice? Your first post argued it's more of a right wing occurrence.

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did it? to me it ment those cavalry dudes are in trouble. i don't think having trouble with the irs is necessary to become a member of an scv subchapter - or the other way round.
 

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did it? to me it ment those cavalry dudes are in trouble. i don't think having trouble with the irs is necessary to become a member of an scv subchapter - or the other way round.
@jgoodguy 's post seemed to suggest it was more of a right wing tendency. Of course we all have to define what is"right" vs "what is left" as these are subjective terms.
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Then it's not one's political ideology that determines violation of IRS guidelines it's just individual avarcice? Your first post argued it's more of a right wing occurrence.

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I am disappointed in the right-wing failure in integrity at this junction of history. OTOH mendacity in right-wing groups does advance my political agenda which is unaffected by left-wing mendacity. If a left-wing church violates IRS guidelines in supporting Bernie Sanders it does not affect me. OTOH if the SCV disappears, then there are no advocates for CSA monuments which will soon disappear from my view just as gun advocates are left high and dry by the mendacity of the NRA.
 

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@jgoodguy 's post seemed to suggest it was more of a right wing tendency. Of course we all have to define what is"right" vs "what is left" as these are subjective terms.
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If you regard the SCV as left-wing, then we have no common understanding of the term.
 

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did it? to me it ment those cavalry dudes are in trouble. i don't think having trouble with the irs is necessary to become a member of an scv subchapter - or the other way round.
It is an interesting test of intelligence to pay cash or checks made out to an individual for membership in a public organization.
 

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If you regard the SCV as left-wing, then we have no common understanding of the term.
I wouldn't define the SCV has a left-wing group. However at one time almost all Southern whites voted for Democratic candidates for all levels of elected office although Eisenhower got some Southern white votes. It was President Nixon and his "Southern Strategy that started the trend to majority Republican voting. Would we regard circa 1930s SCV members as "Left Wing" after all FDR was accused of being a socialist?
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I wouldn't define the SCV has a left-wing group. However at one time almost all Southern whites voted for Democratic candidates for all levels of elected office although Eisenhower got some Southern white votes. It was President Nixon and his "Southern Strategy that started the trend to majority Republican voting. Would we regard circa 1930s SCV members as "Left Wing" after all FDR was accused of being a socialist?
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Never heard Southern Whites described as left-wing, but I guess there is a first time for everything.
 

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I am disappointed in the right-wing failure in integrity at this junction of history. OTOH mendacity in right-wing groups does advance my political agenda which is unaffected by left-wing mendacity. If a left-wing church violates IRS guidelines in supporting Bernie Sanders it does not affect me. OTOH if the SCV disappears, then there are no advocates for CSA monuments which will soon disappear from my view just as gun advocates are left high and dry by the mendacity of the NRA.
I would argue the longevity of Confederate monuments on public land is subject to the tender mercies of rapid demographic change and the new majorities opinions on the sanctity or lack thereof of said monuments. Also weather young white Southners really care about that issue one way or the other.
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I would argue the longevity of Confederate monuments on public land is subject to the tender mercies of rapid demographic change and the new majorities opinions on the sanctity or lack thereof of said monuments. Also weather young white Southners really care about that issue one way or the other.
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Never heard Southern Whites described as left-wing, but I guess there is a first time for everything.
Once upon a time the South was called the solid South because it always voted Democratic. Every one knows per the Republican Part all Democrat's are at best pinkos.
That started to change gradually in the 1950s and was accelerated by President Nixon . Today the Republican Party is the majority part for Southern whites.
Of course that is changing as more certainly not all young Southerners vote for Democrats.
Many Southern states have to engage in vigerous voter suppression has their demographics rapidly change.
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