A Good Guy with a Gun vs Bad Guy with a Gun ( a myth )

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I found this video a long time ago... It's good for it shows you why in gun shotout why everyone is shooting and missing... It is long because they are trying to sell you thier program... If you own a gun it worth watching...
it's also worth watching when you don't - otoh i bet lots of people will end up buying and shelving it.

... and already feel a lot better about it :(
 
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I hope you read the article and study. It mentioned in one article only 3 percent of crimes end with a good guy with a gun, while in the study only 1 precent of crimes end with a good guy with a gun. Most criminals with a gun get stopped by people without guns...

It not an issue they the criminals will have guns and everyone will be prey is false...
People in the UK, and states that effectively prohibit the right to carry such has California would dispute the notion that they are not prey to armed criminals.
To tell the American people that they should not own firearms or at least not have the right to carry them outside their homes equals a permanent Republican President.
It is a very difficult sell to tell the American people that they must rely on the police for protection when they know the police can't really protect them all that well.
I will try to read the article.
Keep in mind that if the police loose the war on crime as in Mexico the people may resort to vigilante justice as in the case with Mexico's "auto defensia". In Mexico despite strict gun laws both the Narco's and the auto defensia have no problems obtaining automatic weapons.
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People in the UK, and states that effectively prohibit the right to carry such has California would dispute the notion that they are not prey to armed criminals.
To tell the American people that they should not own firearms or at least not have the right to carry them outside their homes equals a permanent Republican President.
It is a very difficult sell to tell the American people that they must rely on the police for protection when they know the police can't really protect them all that well.
I will try to read the article.
Keep in mind that if the police loose the war on crime as in Mexico the people may resort to vigilante justice as in the case with Mexico's "auto defensia". In Mexico despite strict gun laws both the Narco's and the auto defensia have no problems obtaining automatic weapons.
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that's not exactly the topic of this thread, though. in this case i really hope we keep it close and do not sway into all the minefields on both sides.

the topic is:

A Good Guy with a Gun vs Bad Guy with a Gun ( a myth )

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It is a very difficult sell to tell the American people that they must rely on the police for protection when they know the police can't really protect them all that well.
Where I live the police seem to be doing fine. Yes, I heard some stories once about Detroit police having late response times... I do see our police forces around our nation in any kind of trouble... Heck, they were giving lots of old military gear...

Show the video and you will see why a good guy without training will be of little help.
 

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I found this video a long time ago... It's good for it shows you why in gun shotout why everyone is shooting and missing... It is long because they are trying to sell you thier program... If you own a gun it worth watching...



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Thanks that's certainly an interesting video. Food for thought.
Unfortunately the political reality in many states us that citizens should have the right of " Constitutional Carry" meaning citizens are allowed to carry firearms with no permit and no training required.
Many citizens realize that neither Harvard researchers or local law enforcement officers will be there to stop a violent three second attack. The unfortunate reality is only an armed citizen has any hope of effectively protecting themselves in a violent attack.
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Where I live the police seem to be doing fine. Yes, I heard some stories once about Detroit police having late response times... I do see our police forces around our nation in any kind of trouble... Heck, they were giving lots of old military gear...

Show the video and you will see why a good guy without training will be of little help.
It would take massive federal funding to hire ,train and equip Detroit PD to have an adequate amount of police officers. Detroit as well as many other departments is grossly understaffed. It would certainly be prudent for Detroit residents to exercise their right to cancel carry per Michigan state law.
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Many citizens realize that neither Harvard researchers or local law enforcement officers will be there to stop a violent three-second attack. The unfortunate reality is only an armed citizen has any hope of effectively protecting themselves in a violent attack.
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You realize only 3 percent or less of Gun crimes are stopped by a GG with a gun... So we destroying our society with gun violence so a few people can carry a gun. You realize how much money and lives would be saved if we restricted guns... I think this is a case were the needs of the many weight the needs of a few...

Have you seen how they turned my Orange county schools into prisons because of guns... I went to some of these schools myself and my kids went to these schools and over the last ten years, they have been turned into prisons. All for your right to carry a gun... You realize how much money my school system has waisted hardening our schools. Again, so you, NRA, and gun manufactures can have guns which in truth are nothing more than show tell items in our modern culture...
 

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The simple truth is that the people will decide by electing public officials if the right to carry a gun is worth the cost.
 

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You realize only 3 percent or less of Gun crimes are stopped by a GG with a gun... So we destroying our society with gun violence so a few people can carry a gun. You realize how much money and lives would be saved if we restricted guns... I think this is a case were the needs of the many weight the needs of a few...

Have you seen how they turned my Orange county schools into prisons because of guns... I went to some of these schools myself and my kids went to these schools and over the last ten years, they have been turned into prisons. All for your right to carry a gun... You realize how much money my school system has waisted hardening our schools. Again, so you, NRA, and gun manufactures can have guns which in truth are nothing more than show tell items in our modern culture...
I live in California and in Los Angeles County to boot where it is almost impossible to get a concealed carry permit. I don't give money any more to the NRA. Gun control laws are not obeyed in nations that have them I.e Mexico and the UK.
I was fortunate that there was no shootings at the public schools my sis went to.
Blacks in the South during Reconstruction often were subject to gun control laws and it didn't work out well for them.
We can argue this issue until the cows come home but many Americans particularly in red and purple states don't want to hear about gun control.
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The other simple truth is that the more idiots that have guns due to more freedom to have guns, the more likely an event will happen that pushes the public into gun control and less freedom.
 

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Blacks in the South during Reconstruction often were subject to gun control laws and it didn't work out well for them.
Where they had guns, they were outnumbered and overwhelmed.
 

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Where they had guns, they were outnumbered and overwhelmed.
At least they could take a few racists down with them. Then again we have the Deacons for Self Defense that one hundred years latter did reasonably well.
Certainly in the 1960s black Southerners could not rely on Southern law enforcement agencies for protection.
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At least they could take a few racists down with them. Then again we have the Deacons for Self Defense that one hundred years latter did reasonably well.
Certainly in the 1960s black Southerners could not rely on Southern law enforcement agencies for protection.
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Guns are not the great equalizer folks marketing guns claim.
 

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why not? everybody is six feet under when applied properly
It is not the equalizer because you need the training to use them right... You need to live simulation training to be effective in an actual gunfight... No one with gun trains correctly for why they have a gun for self-defense... Everyone thinks you just point and shot but that not true, even going to the gun range does not help in a live shooter event... Everyone needs training just like for a car if you want a gun...
 

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It is not the equalizer because you need the training to use them right... You need to live simulation training to be effective in an actual gunfight... No one with gun trains correctly for why they have a gun for self-defense... Everyone thinks you just point and shot but that not true, even going to the gun range does not help in a live shooter event... Everyone needs training just like for a car if you want a gun...
  1. you need a sarcasm detector
  2. i'm covered
why not? everybody is six feet under when applied properly
 

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Guns are not the great equalizer folks marketing guns claim.
Perhaps so but a goodly portion of the US population is not going to surrender their right of self defense and be forced to rely on over stretched law enforcement agencies.
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