Brexit: Can Anyone Take the Wheel From Johnson?

[jgoodguy]

Brexit: Can Anyone Take the Wheel From Johnson?

New Prime Minister Boris Johnson is making quite a show of his determination to deliver Brexit on October 31. He’s refusing to visit EU heads of state because they won’t renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement….when the extension the EU granted barred using the extra time to reopen the Withdrawal Agreement. Johnson’s move is surprising because looking like he was Doing Something in Europe, even though all the principals knew it was destined to go nowhere, could keep Parliament at bay, hopefully until the October EU Council meeting.

But Johnson has a very large ego and likes a gamble. He apparently didn’t want to risk looking like he’d been humiliated. Moreover, he genuinely seems to believe that the EU will fold,1 and if it doesn’t, the UK can muddle through a no deal Brexit. Instead of getting favorable PR by putting himself in the headlines with European leaders and spinning the Government-friendly media hard, Johnson will gin up his desired spin in a more direct manner: the biggest media blitz since World War II. Glorious Brexit all the time!



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[rittmeister]

Brexit: Can Anyone Take the Wheel From Johnson?

New Prime Minister Boris Johnson is making quite a show of his determination to deliver Brexit on October 31. He’s refusing to visit EU heads of state because they won’t renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement….when the extension the EU granted barred using the extra time to reopen the Withdrawal Agreement. Johnson’s move is surprising because looking like he was Doing Something in Europe, even though all the principals knew it was destined to go nowhere, could keep Parliament at bay, hopefully until the October EU Council meeting.

But Johnson has a very large ego and likes a gamble. He apparently didn’t want to risk looking like he’d been humiliated. Moreover, he genuinely seems to believe that the EU will fold,1 and if it doesn’t, the UK can muddle through a no deal Brexit. Instead of getting favorable PR by putting himself in the headlines with European leaders and spinning the Government-friendly media hard, Johnson will gin up his desired spin in a more direct manner: the biggest media blitz since World War II. Glorious Brexit all the time!



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yep, having had an empire entitles the uk to ... - what?

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

borrowed from Conservapedia (the only ineresting thing in their article)

 

[pool boy]

yep, having had an empire entitles the uk to ... - what?

Winning two World Wars ought to give a country lingering stroke. OTOH losing two World Wars ought to keep you on the back bench for a very long time.

 

[rittmeister]

Winning two World Wars ought to give a country lingering stroke. OTOH losing two World Wars ought to keep you on the back bench for a very long time.

sorry, but that's nonesense. england has subjugated other nations (and that starts in ireland roughly 600 years ago) for centuries. so winning two world wars is what kind of remedy exactly? we (and i was obviously not involved) have been the bad guys in two world wars but that happened in just 40 years of history.

what did we do wrong? losing the wrong wars? don't get me wrong - i'm rather glad we lost them.

 

[pool boy]

Why do you worry about what the U.K. does. It’s a sovereign nation-group whose majority doesn’t want to be dominated by non-Britons in Brussels. I don’t see a problem.

 

[rittmeister]

Why do you worry about what the U.K. does. It’s a sovereign nation-group whose majority doesn’t want to be dominated by non-Britons in Brussels. I don’t see a problem.

you sure about that?

 

[pool boy]

I’m sure the UN General Assembly and Judicial Council would not be very popular options in the US.

 

[rittmeister]

I’m sure the UN General Assembly and Judicial Council would not be very popular options in the US.

why did you help found it then?

 

[O' Be Joyful]

why did you help found it then?

He didn't. He is now in the pool.

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Criticism is totally easy after the fact, or once you have read some Libertarian rags.

Trust me, I have been there. Atlas Shrugged, --"Who is John Galt?"-- is an excellent book, if you look at it from the perspective of an individual succeeding despite overwhelming governmental corruption and malfeasance.

Hmm, maybe I should read that one again it seems to be in line with the "times" just about now... Its only about 700 pages, give it a try from an opposite view-point.

 

[pool boy]

why did you help found it then?

IIRC the UN was founded to prevent more World Wars after the League of Nations turned out to be an abysmal failure in preventing the second one. Had Germany been a good boy we would not have had the need for either. Of course, the UN quickly turned into a playground for pampered diplomats playing politics and lining pockets with mostly American cash. It’s my understanding that the EU had its roots in the economic recovery after WW2 and that has now morphed into defining social, humanitarian and regulatory issues that many disagree with. If the US were enter into a similar agreement with its NAFTA partners Mexico and Canada most would be unhappy on the short end of 2-1 votes. My feeling is the UK feels the same way and it is hard to blame them.

 

[rittmeister]

IIRC the UN was founded to prevent more World Wars after the League of Nations turned out to be an abysmal failure in preventing the second one. Had Germany been a good boy we would not have had the need for either. Of course, the UN quickly turned into a playground for pampered diplomats playing politics and lining pockets with mostly American cash. It’s my understanding that the EU had its roots in the economic recovery after WW2 and that has now morphed into defining social, humanitarian and regulatory issues that many disagree with. If the US were enter into a similar agreement with its NAFTA partners Mexico and Canada most would be unhappy on the short end of 2-1 votes. My feeling is the UK feels the same way and it is hard to blame them.

yeah, i can see how without adolf as a rolemodel the japanese would never have started to tear apart asia in 1931

 

[Andersonh1]

I think anyone who tries to leave the Union should be invaded and forced to remain.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

I think anyone who tries to leave the Union should be invaded and forced to remain.

 

[pool boy]

yeah, i can see how without adolf as a rolemodel the japanese would never have started to tear apart asia in 1931

You’re sayin’ the Japs made Hitler do it?

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

Not sure if the UK really won both World War's. The UK had the largest richest empire in modern world history. It's all gone now. Today's Germany is much more prosperous the it was before the World War's. On the other hand both nations will not exist with the present populations.
What I mean is if women of child bearing age say 18 to 35 don't average 2.2 children per women then that nation will suffer negative population growth. As it stands now both the British and German native population will soon be minorities in their own nations say 60 year's.
Kirk's Raider's

 

[rittmeister]

You’re sayin’ the Japs made Hitler do it?

nope, of course not

 

[O' Be Joyful]

You’re sayin’ the Japs made Hitler do it?

Not directly, but kinda.

Tripartite Pact
World War II

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tripartite-Pact

Of course, Dolfie wasn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier either.

 

[pool boy]

Not sure if the UK really won both World War's. The UK had the largest richest empire in modern world history. It's all gone now. Today's Germany is much more prosperous the it was before the World War's. On the other hand both nations will not exist with the present populations.
What I mean is if women of child bearing age say 18 to 35 don't average 2.2 children per women then that nation will suffer negative population growth. As it stands now both the British and German native population will soon be minorities in their own nations say 60 year's.
Kirk's Raider's

From what I read Ms. Merkel speeded up that process substantially.

As for the British Empire, it was falling apart on its own accord as times were changing and there was declining interest in keeping it together. Am reading a new book on Churchill with quite a bit more information than previous narratives, including transcripts from meetings with King George. Churchill was old school regarding empire but recognized that the world had changed.

 

[pool boy]

Not directly, but kinda.

Tripartite Pact
World War II

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tripartite-Pact

Of course, Dolfie wasn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier either.

True, he could have overwhelmed the Brits before the US agreed to Lend Lease and arms sales but went full retard and turned on the Soviets. With the UK out, those tank, airplane and vehicle shipments would have stopped and Russia would have been relatively easy pickings. If, of course, he had started out in the summer instead of late fall by remembering what happened to Napoleon and winter.