How many deaths & violent crimes will it take..?

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No, we show you the facts and you ignore them over and over...
That's not entirely true. You ignore plenty of facts you don't like. Try these facts on for size....

Take the top five deadliest cities in America according to FBI murder statistics.
St Louis, MO
Baltimore, MD
Detroit, MI
New Orleans, LA
Baton Rouge, LA

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mu...jK0Q5v3Kn3LcW5D7vabQcu8-_RdWftap1JY0F4KmkdErA

Every one is run completely by Democrats. All 5 of those cities have Democrat Mayors, & 100% Democrat city councils.

St Louis hasn't had a Republican mayor in over 70 yrs. Baltimore hasn't had a Republican mayor in over 50yrs.

Explain to me how Democratic policies are helping make these communities safe..?
 

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Can you explain how allowing unfettered illegal immigration to our country makes American citizens safer..?
Worked very well for hundreds of years. The US would not be a great nation without unfettered immigration, much undocumented.
 

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That's not entirely true. You ignore plenty of facts you don't like. Try these facts on for size....

Take the top five deadliest cities in America according to FBI murder statistics.
St Louis, MO
Baltimore, MD
Detroit, MI
New Orleans, LA
Baton Rouge, LA

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mu...jK0Q5v3Kn3LcW5D7vabQcu8-_RdWftap1JY0F4KmkdErA

Every one is run completely by Democrats. All 5 of those cities have Democrat Mayors, & 100% Democrat city councils.

St Louis hasn't had a Republican mayor in over 70 yrs. Baltimore hasn't had a Republican mayor in over 50yrs.

Explain to me how Democratic policies are helping make these communities safe..?
Are you asserting that Democratic policies cause crime? Please take a stand.
 

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I specifically said, illegal immigration.
There was no laws allowing for immigration until the late 19th century. By definition, without law, all that immigration was illegal-without explicit legal consent.
 

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To help you out, here are the 10 most crime-ridden States. I've listed the Governors to help you make your point about Democrats and crime. You do not have to thank me or otherwise respond. The 3 Dems pulled 7 Republicans down.

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Oklahoma 40 39 Governor: Kevin Stitt (Republican Party)
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Nevada 32 46 Governor Steve Sisolak (D)
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Missouri 38 44 Governor Mike Parson (R)
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Arizona 41 42 Doug Ducey (R)
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Alabama 43 43 Kay Ivey (R)
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South Carolina 47 41 Henry McMaster (R)
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Arkansas 45 45 Asa Hutchinson (R)
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Tennessee 42 48 Bill Lee (R)
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Louisiana 48 47 John Bel Edwards (D)
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Alaska 49 50 Mike Dunleavy (R)
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New Mexico 50 49 Michelle Lujan Grisham (D)
 

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To help you out, here are the 10 most crime-ridden States. I've listed the Governors to help you make your point about Democrats and crime. You do not have to thank me or otherwise respond. The 3 Dems pulled 7 Republicans down.

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Oklahoma 40 39 Governor: Kevin Stitt (Republican Party)
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Nevada 32 46 Governor Steve Sisolak (D)
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Missouri 38 44 Governor Mike Parson (R)
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Arizona 41 42 Doug Ducey (R)
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Alabama 43 43 Kay Ivey (R)
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South Carolina 47 41 Henry McMaster (R)
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Arkansas 45 45 Asa Hutchinson (R)
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Tennessee 42 48 Bill Lee (R)
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Louisiana 48 47 John Bel Edwards (D)
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Alaska 49 50 Mike Dunleavy (R)
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New Mexico 50 49 Michelle Lujan Grisham (D)
LMAO...! Weak attempt btw. I guess we don't provide sources anymore..? Is shoplifting included in your provided list..?

Doesn't change what cities are the deadliest (most murders), or who runs them. I think even we could agree murder, is the most significant crime statistic.

Who sets policy for large cities..? Did the Governor of Kalifornia set the policy making it legal to shit on the sidewalk, or did the local politicians of that city..?

Who sets police policy in St Louis..? What about Baltimore..? News flash... it ain't the Governors.

All of the states you mentioned have some great communities as well as, some crime ridden communities. Look deeper into those states' crime stats. You'll find the majority of the murders are where..? I wonder where LA would rate without the murder rates of New Orleans, & Baton Rouge.
 

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LMAO...! Weak attempt btw. I guess we don't provide sources anymore..? Is shoplifting included in your provided list..?

Doesn't change what cities are the deadliest (most murders), or who runs them. I think even we could agree murder, is the most significant crime statistic.

Who sets policy for large cities..? Did the Governor of Kalifornia set the policy making it legal to shit on the sidewalk, or did the local politicians of that city..?

Who sets police policy in St Louis..? What about Baltimore..? News flash... it ain't the Governors.

All of the states you mentioned have some great communities as well as, some crime ridden communities. Look deeper into those states' crime stats. You'll find the majority of the murders are where..? I wonder where LA would rate without the murder rates of New Orleans, & Baton Rouge.
The rating and governors I provided are public information not needing any sources.

Have you committed to Dems cause crime or are you just going to dance around?
 

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I did a survey at the old folks hang out near me. AKA senior citizens center. Simple question Democrats cause?

Answers included.
impotence
arthritis
gout
wife left to marry a Dem
husband abandoned me for a Dem
compressed disks
indigestion
cold winter
hot summer
backaches

I did not ask for sources.
I hope this helps.
 

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Illegals are potential voters, and they shift the demographics of areas they settle in, even if they never become voters. It's not hard to see why illegal immigration continues to be demanded by some politicians, considering who benefits from it.

https://cis.org/Report/Impact-Legal...rtionment-Seats-US-House-Representatives-2020

  • The 2020 census will show that the presence of all immigrants (naturalized citizens, legal residents, and illegal aliens) and their U.S.-born minor children is responsible for a shift of 26 House seats. This is the cumulative impact of immigration, not the change from the previous census.
  • To put this number in perspective, changing the party of 21 members of the current Congress would flip the majority in the U.S. House. The 26 seats represent the effect of all immigrants and their children 17 years of age and younger, and is not the change from one census to another.
  • Ohio will have three fewer seats in 2020 than it otherwise would have had but for the presence of all immigrants and their minor children in other states. Michigan and Pennsylvania will have two fewer; and Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia, and Wisconsin will each have one fewer seat. California will have 11 more seats in 2020 than it otherwise would have; New York and Texas will have four more seats each; Florida will have three more seats; New Jersey will have two more seats; and Illinois and Massachusetts will each have one additional seat.
  • Of the 26 seats that will be lost, 24 are from states that voted for Donald Trump in 2016. Of states that will gain House seats because of immigration, 19 seats will go to the solidly Democratic states of California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Illinois. Texas is the only solidly Republican state that gains, while Florida is a swing state.
  • Doing the same calculation, but counting only immigrants themselves (naturalized citizens, legal permanent residents, guestworkers, foreign students and illegal aliens), but not their U.S.-born minor children, will redistribute 18 seats in the House in 2020. Ohio will have two fewer seats than it otherwise would have had but for the presence of immigrants in other states. Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia will each have one fewer seat. California will have seven more seats in 2020 than it otherwise would. New York and Florida will have three more each; Texas and New Jersey will have two more seats; and Illinois will have one more seat.
  • Looking at non-citizens and their U.S.-born minor children redistributes 10 seats, with Ohio, Michigan, Alabama, Idaho, Minnesota, Missouri, West Virginia, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island each having one fewer seat. California will have four more seats than it otherwise would have; Texas will have three more seats; and New York, Florida, and New Jersey will have one additional seat each.
  • Looking at only non-citizens (legal residents and illegal immigrants) redistributes eight seats, with Ohio, Michigan, Missouri, Minnesota, Alabama, Idaho, West Virginia, and Rhode Island each having one fewer seat in 2020 due to the presence of non-citizens in other states. California will have three additional seats; Texas will have two more seats; and Florida, New Jersey, and New York will each have one more seat.
  • Illegal immigrants and their U.S.-born minor children will redistribute five seats in 2020, with Ohio, Michigan, Alabama, Minnesota, and West Virginia each losing one seat in 2020 that they otherwise would have had. California and Texas will each have two additional seats, and New York will have one additional seat.
  • Illegal immigrants alone in the 2020 will redistribute three seats, with Ohio, Alabama, and Minnesota each having one fewer seat than they otherwise would have had, while California, New York, and Texas will have one additional seat.
I wouldn't count on Texas being a solid red state for to long. Texas is already majority minority and the Dems picked up a few Texas congressional seats. Of course the children of illegals born in the US are US citizens and it's certainly possible Trump will inspire them to against the GOP.
While it's far to early to predict what presidential candidate will win the critical state of Texas with 34 EVs some pols do show Biden winning Texas.
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That's not entirely true. You ignore plenty of facts you don't like. Try these facts on for size....

Take the top five deadliest cities in America according to FBI murder statistics.
St Louis, MO
Baltimore, MD
Detroit, MI
New Orleans, LA
Baton Rouge, LA

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mu...jK0Q5v3Kn3LcW5D7vabQcu8-_RdWftap1JY0F4KmkdErA

Every one is run completely by Democrats. All 5 of those cities have Democrat Mayors, & 100% Democrat city councils.

St Louis hasn't had a Republican mayor in over 70 yrs. Baltimore hasn't had a Republican mayor in over 50yrs.

Explain to me how Democratic policies are helping make these communities safe..?
To be fair how would a Republican Mayor reduce crime?
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I saw this stuff to them the right-wing and they do not care about stats. I have shown the Climate change data and they do not care the right-wing. I have shown them studies on gun violence and again they the right-wing do not care. They live in a delusional world were facts do not matter only what supports their false world view.



Actually there are signs California is going to lose one seat after the 2020 census... I guess your news outlets do not want you to know that...



There is no fraud and voter ID was created by the right-wing to limit minority voting. I have shown this before too and the right-wing does not care...



NO NO, NO ... The Republican party is a dying party and they have allow unlimited money into campaigns, the gerrymander states into republican fiefdoms, they have used ID laws to restrict minority races, and steal Supreme Court seat form the democrats only a scared party builds firewalls and the republican party is scared and their donors so they only seek power. Please, you need to think about the party doing everything it can do to stay in power.
I agree about Republican voter suppression. I agree with @Viper21 California becoming a shit hole state. I live here and have seen how this state has changed for the worse over the decades.
For the record I am a registered independent and hate both parties.
There is no presidential candidate I can support.
I hope we don't have ACW 2.0 but it's certainly looking likely.
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@Andersonh1 per the Real Clear Politics average of polls in h2h Biden vs Trump Trump only has a .5 advantage over Biden which is a statistical tie. A caveat is the last poll was in December. Definitely Texas will be interesting to watch this year.
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I wouldn't count on Texas being a solid red state for to long. Texas is already majority minority and the Dems picked up a few Texas congressional seats. Of course the children of illegals born in the US are US citizens and it's certainly possible Trump will inspire them to against the GOP.
While it's far to early to predict what presidential candidate will win the critical state of Texas with 34 EVs some pols do show Biden winning Texas.
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Trump recruits for the Dems. IMHO the white Christians have screwed up big time and now let the browns have a chance of screwing up. If crazy-ass right-wing populists have a chance, why not crazy-ass left-wing ones.
 

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I agree about Republican voter suppression. I agree with @Viper21 California becoming a shit hole state. I live here and have seen how this state has changed for the worse over the decades.
For the record I am a registered independent and hate both parties.
There is no presidential candidate I can support.
I hope we don't have ACW 2.0 but it's certainly looking likely.
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By what standard is California so bad.

Historical Real Median Household Income for California
Date US California
2017 $60,336 $71,805
2016 $58,856 $69,196
2015 $57,709 $66,737
2014 $55,613 $64,191
2013 $55,072 $63,441
2012 $54,948 $62,389
2011 $55,162 $62,573
2010 $56,388 $65,020
2009 $57,519 $67,494
2008 $59,382 $69,645
2007 $60,135 $71,048
2006 $59,051 $69,037
2005 $58,185 $67,480

Historical Real Median Household Income for Alabama
Date US Alabama
2017 $60,336 $48,123
2016 $58,856 $47,252
2015 $57,709 $46,317
2014 $55,613 $44,391
2013 $55,072 $45,163
2012 $54,948 $44,469
2011 $55,162 $45,237
2010 $56,388 $45,603
2009 $57,519 $46,372
2008 $59,382 $48,696
2007 $60,135 $48,063
2006 $59,051 $47,268
2005 $58,185 $46,404
 

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Trump recruits for the Dems. IMHO the white Christians have screwed up big time and now let the browns have a chance of screwing up. If crazy-ass right-wing populists have a chance, why not crazy-ass left-wing ones.
We shall see. My wife was an illegal alien from El Salvador but Saint Ronald of Reagan gave amnesty to her and her compatriots.
She works two jobs and pays taxes our oldest son was one of the youngest Senior Drill Instructors at Paris Island.
On the other hand lots of Salvadorian gang bangers from Mar Salvatruca 13 and the 18th St Gang.
On the other hand the US absolutely destroyed El Salvador during their Civil War.
It's a complex situation.
On the other hand we can't just have open borders or we will collapse as a nation.
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By what standard is California so bad.

Historical Real Median Household Income for California
Date US California
2017 $60,336 $71,805
2016 $58,856 $69,196
2015 $57,709 $66,737
2014 $55,613 $64,191
2013 $55,072 $63,441
2012 $54,948 $62,389
2011 $55,162 $62,573
2010 $56,388 $65,020
2009 $57,519 $67,494
2008 $59,382 $69,645
2007 $60,135 $71,048
2006 $59,051 $69,037
2005 $58,185 $67,480

Historical Real Median Household Income for Alabama
Date US Alabama
2017 $60,336 $48,123
2016 $58,856 $47,252
2015 $57,709 $46,317
2014 $55,613 $44,391
2013 $55,072 $45,163
2012 $54,948 $44,469
2011 $55,162 $45,237
2010 $56,388 $45,603
2009 $57,519 $46,372
2008 $59,382 $48,696
2007 $60,135 $48,063
2006 $59,051 $47,268
2005 $58,185 $46,404
Median income is a useless measurement. We have a fair amount of billionaire's and multi millionaires so it skews the average.
You really need to come to California and see for yourself.
See if you can do a ride along with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department at say Firestone Station . They used to allow ride a lings not sure now.
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