NY Times has new series on 400 years of slavery

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

That's a very slippery slope you're treading there, "correcting" history to fit modern views.

not a bit, not correcting deromantizing - there a way too much romantized things in history on all continents. Call the things what they really were, tear down the romantic veils.

 

[Andersonh1]

not a bit, not correcting deromantizing - there a way too much romantized things in history on all continents. Call the things what they really were, tear down the romantic veils.

I'm sure past historians thought they were "calling it what it was" as well. People are often blind to their own biases. Modern activist historians certainly are.

 

[pool boy]

Are You sure? How about that regullary freeing of illegals out of a basement, where they were kept to do something the basement ownes told them to do?

Slavery is illegal but did it realy end?

C’mon man.

 

[pool boy]

I'm sure past historians thought they were "calling it what it was" as well. People are often blind to their own biases. Modern activist historians certainly are.

Call me a skeptic of academics, particularly in the social sciences. Most of these people could not operate in the private sector but thrive before captive audiences who are compelled to agree with them or suffer the consequences. Today’s prominent historians are a nothing more than a leftist cabal.

 

[Andersonh1]

By the way, the title of this thread is very telling. "400 years of slavery"? There haven't been 400 years of slavery. There were 246 years of slavery, 1619 to 1865. There have been 154 years of freedom from slavery since the passage of the 13th amendment. Perhaps the NYT failed to note that?

 

[Al Mackey]

Call me a skeptic of academics, particularly in the social sciences. Most of these people could not operate in the private sector but thrive before captive audiences who are compelled to agree with them or suffer the consequences. Today’s prominent historians are a nothing more than a leftist cabal.

So you know absolutely nothing about universities or academics.

 

[Al Mackey]

By the way, the title of this thread is very telling. "400 years of slavery"? There haven't been 400 years of slavery. There were 246 years of slavery, 1619 to 1865. There have been 154 years of freedom from slavery since the passage of the 13th amendment. Perhaps the NYT failed to note that?

Those of us who actually read the material know the NYT doesn't use "400 Years of Slavery." I think Pat was thinking about not only slavery but also slavery's aftermath and the fact that it is still affecting us today in choosing his headline.

 

[jgoodguy]

Are You sure? How about that regullary freeing of illegals out of a basement, where they were kept to do something the basement ownes told them to do?

Slavery is illegal but did it realy end?

Unfree labor continues to this day. Slavers get into trouble and serve time if caught.

 

[jgoodguy]

By the way, the title of this thread is very telling. "400 years of slavery"? There haven't been 400 years of slavery. There were 246 years of slavery, 1619 to 1865. There have been 154 years of freedom from slavery since the passage of the 13th amendment. Perhaps the NYT failed to note that?

Good point. I missed that.

I'm sure past historians thought they were "calling it what it was" as well. People are often blind to their own biases. Modern activist historians certainly are.

With qualifications, I agree. IMHO too many modern 'historians' claimed to find something new that all the other historians missed, and then when I investigated I found strawmen in plenty.

 

[jgoodguy]

Those of us who actually read the material know the NYT doesn't use "400 Years of Slavery." I think Pat was thinking about not only slavery but also slavery's aftermath and the fact that it is still affecting us today in choosing his headline.

Good point, but why did it take 6 pages to get pointed out?

 

[jgoodguy]

Call me a skeptic of academics, particularly in the social sciences. Most of these people could not operate in the private sector but thrive before captive audiences who are compelled to agree with them or suffer the consequences. Today’s prominent historians are a nothing more than a leftist cabal.

So you know absolutely nothing about universities or academics.

I agree that current prominent historians are not part of a leftist cabal. What the bleep is a leftist cabal?

 

[Al Mackey]

Good point, but why did it take 6 pages to get pointed out?

Because it took six pages for someone who never bothered to read the material to make a dumb claim about the thread title.

 

[jgoodguy]

And next year it will be ”401 years of slavery.” Identity politics is the name of the game today, so you’ve got to keep the pot boiling in order to get out the vote.

I hope you are not suggesting that reading dry history gins up some voting bloc or another. That is way up the weird scale.

 

[jgoodguy]

Because it took six pages for someone who never bothered to read the material to make a something I disagree with claim about the thread title.

Be nice to have our more informed members post observations like that earlier in the process.

 

[Al Mackey]

Be nice to have our more informed members post observations like that earlier in the process.

It's not an observation. It's an error born of ignorance of what the NYT series says.

 

[jgoodguy]

It's not an observation. It's an error born of ignorance of what the NYT series says.

Very Good, I hold the more knowledgable members to a higher standard to lead our lesser members.

 

[Al Mackey]

Very Good, I hold the more knowledgable members to a higher standard to lead our lesser members.

If you can accurately predict when someone is going to say something stupid, I'll try to head them off at the pass.

 

[jgoodguy]

If you can accurately predict when someone is going to say something stupid, I'll try to head them off at the pass.

Sounds like a plan.

 

[pool boy]

So you know absolutely nothing about universities or academics.

LOL!

 

[Andersonh1]

Very Good, I hold the more knowledgable members to a higher standard to lead our lesser members.

Now I want that "lesser member" title under my user avatar.