The 5000 Year Leap : A Miracle That Changed the World

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Their government is similiar to Switzerland's type of government with rotating leadership...
you don't underrstand european sports. if you invade a neighbouring country to do some regime change their form of government is ridiculous by default (take my word for it or have a look at the year 1789)
 

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I think you are talking about the American Constitution birth... It was not a revolution in change of government but a revolution in the administration of government...
Nope. That was 1788.

June 21, 1788
The Constitution becomes effective for the ratifying states when New Hampshire is the ninth state to ratify it.

February 4, 1789
The first presidential election takes place but the results will not be known until April 6.

https://www.constitutionfacts.com/us-constitution-amendments/dates-to-remember/
 

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I think you are talking about the American Constitution birth... It was not a revolution in change of government but a revolution in the administration of government...
in what way would that arbitrary date be relevant to a non-american? it's as unreal as the octobre 3rd, 1990 (gdr became a part of the federal republic) - the date here is novembre 9th, 1989 (wall down)
 

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in what way would that arbitrary date be relevant to a non-american? it's as unreal as the octobre 3rd, 1990 (gdr became a part of the federal republic) - the date here is novembre 9th, 1989 (wall down)
Look at your original post, the year you posted was 1789 not 1989... a case of dyslexia it seems...
 

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Look at your original post, the year you posted was 1789 not 1989... a case of dyslexia it seems...
open your eyes - it's just another example of picking the wrong date
  • whatever happened in 1789 is irrelevant compared to the french revolution
  • as to the german reunification: every date is minuscle in comparison to november 9th 1989. especially as novembre 9th is probaly germany's schicksalstag (day of destiny) throughout history, but i won't hold you to account for not knowing that :p
 

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open your eyes - it's just another example of picking the wrong date
I just want to point out 1789 was a big year for Germany as for Franch... it was a jumping-off point...

Germany stood at a turning-point in 1789. The wars which the French Revolution brought to Germany were to cause the disappearance of the Holy Roman Empire. Its end was to be accompanied by wholesale secularisation and the gradual disappearance of the religious colouring of German society.

The starting-point is the essential fact that authority in Germany lay in a mosaic of fragments. Considered in all the variety of its states the political organization of Germany would seem, then, to have no coherence. The political structure of Germany was governed by the notion of sovereignty and subjection. There were no economic considerations operating over the whole of Germany to break down social barriers and to release into political life the energies of men with monied wealth. Until the mid-seventeenth century religion had been the most significant single factor in Germany’s history and political, economic and social struggles had used the language of religious combat. Germany stood at a turning-point in 1789.

Here is the link to a book on the topic: https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/9780429284588/chapters/10.4324/9780429284588-1


Here is another book on the topic: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-49207-5_10

Here is another book on the topic: https://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/germany-and-the-french-revolution-1789-1848

Culturally and socially German Europe continued to be greatly influenced by France in the years leading to 1848. Nationalism and the ideas of greater political freedom and representation remained a French legacy in Germany despite the opposition of German royal and aristocratic governments. A new liberal nationalism manifested itself in 1848 as the German states played a central role in the extraordinary revolutionary events of that year throughout the European continent. The events of 1848 laid the future political foundation of a new united German state in 1871

You know I am just giving you a hard time about 1789... lol ... The unification of 20th century Germany was earth-shaking and began the retreat of the Russians form the world stage... and the end of communism as an ideological threat to the west... but the election of Washington not is equal... lol...
 

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I just want to point out 1789 was a big year for Germany as for Franch... it was a jumping-off point...
1789 was a big year for the world and the reason for that is the french revolution.
 

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We(U.S.A.) were the Hegemon of the 20th century and after watching our present Commander & Chiefs behavior. I see that we did advance mankind 5000 years because be were a benevolent Hegemon and promoted a concept of enlightening self-interest. Which seems to have died under this President. Now we are becoming a bully and you see the world holds its breath just waiting for our next election. In history Hegemon's are always about promoting its own self-interest on and over other nations. Our moment in history we tried to bring many with us...
 

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I bring up an observation Custers Last Stand was in June 1876... A man walked on the Moon in July 1969... 93 years apart. Think of the massive changes that incurred during that 93 years... Airplanes, Cars, Electricity, Movies, Radio, TV, Jets, Rockets, Space Flight, not even mentioning medical advancements, or a merriment of other achievements... We can not forget the A-Bomb or the H-bomb, early computing, and so on... If you think about the 1930's looks different form the 1950's , the 1950's looks different form the 1960's and so on... Is all this advancement seeded by the great experiment we call United States... I know we(United States) did not invent all the achievements we had a hand in many of them....
 

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Did America make the world a better place... Here is an old article on the topic...

LINK: https://www.cnn.com/2012/03/14/opinion/kagan-world-america-made/index.html

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In 1941 there were only a dozen democracies in the world. Today there are more than 100. For four centuries prior to 1950, global GDP rose by less than 1 percent a year. Since 1950 it has risen by an average of 4 percent a year, and billions of people have been lifted out of poverty.

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The first half of the 20th century saw the two most destructive wars in the history of mankind, and in prior centuries war among great powers was almost constant. But for the past 60 years no great powers have gone to war

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International order is not an evolution; it is an imposition. It is the domination of one vision over others -- in America's case, the domination of liberal free market principles of economics, democratic principles of politics, and a peaceful international system that supports these, over other visions that other nations and peoples may have. The present order will last only as long as those who favor it and benefit from it retain the will and capacity to defend it.

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If and when American power declines, the institutions and norms American power has supported will decline, too. Or they may collapse altogether as we transition into another kind of world order, or into disorder.
 
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