The Massacre that started the Alt-Right

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  1. Kirk's Raider's

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    If you want to ignore that the "States Rights" argument has been the rallying cry of segregationists and David Duke endorsement. If a racist like David Duke endorses him. Its not me saying Reagan a racist. Its a racist telling you Reagan a racist. You can ignore an avowed segregationist Strom Thurmond switching to the Republican party... I want to point not would the use of these words in Reagan's speeches he would say "Those people" or "Them people", "You know whom I am talking about" ... all racial bias...

    While Carter was chastened, Reagan did nothing to modify his behavior. Just before Election Day, the Republican candidate appeared at a rally with former Mississippi Gov. John Bell Williams, an avowed segregationist. South Carolina Sen. Strom Thurmond, meanwhile, told a crowd of Reagan supporters, “We want that federal government to keep their filthy hands off the rights of the states.” Reagan would be rewarded for the company he kept. He’d beat Carter by 10 points, winning every Southern state except West Virginia and Georgia.

    Reagan employed the trope of the "Welfare Queen" in order to rally support for reform of the welfare system. During his initial bid for the Republican nomination in 1976, and again in 1980, Reagan constantly made reference to the "Welfare Queen" at his campaign rallies.

    “You’ve seen in this campaign the stirrings of hate and the rebirth of code words like states’ rights in a speech in Mississippi,” Carter said, adding that “hatred has no place in this country.

    Carter ... hide behind culture... it was in 1976...

    https://books.google.com/books?id=2...Jimmy Carter, the Democratic nominee.&f=false
     
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    That's where I adamantly disagree. An act, is an act. A statement, is a statement. Regardless of the geography, or ethnicity of the person committing said act. You also seem to imply that, the opinion of an AA is more valid, than that of a white person. Personally, I find these claims, disgusting.

    A person who discriminates against others based on their race, or ethnicity, is by definition racist. The race, or ethnicity of the the person doing so, is irrelevant. Likewise, one doesn't have to be of a particular section of the country, or of a particular background to distinguish either.
     
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    Say it ain't so... what about me... :(

    MY mom voted for this man. She wanted to make sure he hit the 5% thresh hole so the government will pay off his campaign debt... she like the guy...

    The tape exposed both men's racial bias...
     
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    Racism should be a conclusion discernible from actions and expressions, not whether a particular minority group perceives the individual as racist.
     
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    True but as a general rule perceptions are based on past experience.
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    I never stated that the opinion on an AA is more valid then a white person however if we are discussing a political figure is racist or not we need to get different perspective's.
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    I found this little gem .... The Klan's view of Reagan and the GOP in the 1980s...


    https://jacobinmag.com/2017/08/greensboro-massacre-ku-klux-klan-far-right

    Another likely factor in the Klan’s resurgence was the election of a president viewed as sympathetic to the Klan’s goals. Indeed, it was particularly ironic to see a video of Ronald Reagan denouncing bigotry making the rounds in the aftermath of Charlottesville, given that Reagan was beloved by the Klan. Imperial Wizard Bill Wilkinson endorsed Reagan for president in 1980, and gushed that that year’s GOP platform “reads as if it were written by a Klansman.”

    Reagan quickly repudiated Wilkinson’s endorsement. Nonetheless, as the late Ron Walters put it, Reagan was “anathema to the entire civil rights community and the civil rights agenda.” Antiracist campaigners throughout the 1980s expressed frustration at his Department of Justice for dragging its feet when investigating murders of blacks or going after the Klan.

    In 1984, Wilkinson called the GOP platform “pure Klan,” and again gave Reagan his imprimatur. This time, it took Reagan a month to repudiate Wilkinson’s endorsement, during which time his spokespeople dodged questions and refused to disavow it. Dorothy Gilliam, the Washington Post’s first black female reporter, wrote that the prevarication suggested the GOP was “dallying in order to make maximum political use of the endorsement.”
     
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    Gimmie a break dude. Your own quote shows Reagan repudiated the endorsement. Again, I've asked before, how many Republicans used to wear a white robe..?? You know, like Senator Byrd did. Byrd was an actual MEMBER OF THE KKK. He served in the Senate until 2010....
    I think you're suffering from selective outrage.....
     
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    I'd be careful of imputing any personal characteristics in a member. I've been know to make some adjustments in my censor list to maximize folk's embarrassment that does it. Works better than edits or deletes. In any case, the Southern Strategy of the GOP worked until very recently.
     
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    If you read the whole section I posted Reagan take over a month repudiated the second endorsement by the Klan of the platform.

    The Klan was endorsing Reagan and the GOP platform as Klan friendly. You can ignore the endorsements by the Klan if you want...


    QUOTE="Viper21, post: 8309, member: 12"]Senator Byrd did. Byrd was an actual MEMBER OF THE KKK.[/QUOTE]

    Byrd repudiated the Klan and was not getting endorse by them in the 1980's. Everytime you try to throw shade on the Democrats all before 1970s. The Republican is now the party of the Dixiecrats...
     
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    Byrd repudiated the Klan and was not getting endorse by them in the 1980's. Everytime you try to throw shade on the Democrats all before 1970s. The Republican is now the party of the Dixiecrats...[/QUOTE]
    Black civil rights cost the dems the South. All the old white dems converted to the GOP.
     
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    I found this from 2018 about all the Alt-right followers running within the Republican party for office.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...-republicans-illinois-north-carolina-virginia

    I leave snippets but I am on my phone... Notice no Democrats... Near the end read what Atwater say about the Republican Southern strategy....

    A snip from it....

    The Republican Party is, after all, both the party of Lincoln, and the party of Richard Nixon and Lee Atwater’s Southern strategy aimed at getting racists on board without, in Atwater’s own words, “saying, ‘nigger, nigger, nigger.’” And it’s also the party of the nation’s most prominent birther, who rode to the White House on a wave of what researchers in December 2017 called “racial resentment.”
     
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    ?? o_O ??

    Failing to see what was problematic in my post... Could you clarify..?
     
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    No. Just observe what happens and you will figure it out.
     
  18. Kirk's Raider's

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    To be fair and balanced in one book I saw a KKK poster that endorsed Calvin Coolidge for president. To also be fair and balanced during the rise of the 2nd Klan approximately 1915 to 1926 the state with highest per capita membership in Klan by far was Indiana hardly a Democratic party stronghold. In Indiana one could easily pick up a KKK application at a police station.
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    Sorry, people are responsible for who they vote for, not who they didn't.

    Also Bernie did not get cheated out of anything. As a liberal who was split between supporting Bernie or Hillary (and surrounded by all sorts of liberals of every variety in the SF Bay Area) nearly all claims of that are BS. Bernie wasn't embraced by the core of the DNC because he never embraced the core of the DNC, he is an independent that often allies with Democrats, then he wanted to be President and decided to get the Democrat's nomination. You can't play both sides (not being with a party then wanting all the advantages of being with a party) without consequences. Unsurprisingly the person who had stronger relationships and history with a party was favored. In every trackable data point Bernie was the underdog and always was the underdog. I would've been fine with him winning (though I became less fond of how he and his supporters acted towards the end of the primaries) but he was never in the lead and never had anything more than a slightly better than a long shot. Most people who make the argument he was cheated are simply ignorant of the facts, the votes, and the data.

    This is perfectly encapsulated by the huge increase in these claims after Hillary won the Nevada caucus. Wide support of caucus reforms/removals surged and Bernie's most ignorant supporters argued he was cheated and how bad caucuses are. Except of course Bernie heavily outperformed Hillary in caucuses, Nevada was the exception. So in a process that's more representative without causes Hillary would've been even more favored.

    Bernie outperformed all expectations and this was remembered and significant, but he was in no way cheated, there is no evidence of any reasonable impact to support that claim.
     
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    Dog whistles can be twisting of words but they don't always have to be. It's easy for White people to dismiss things like this, though even as a White person who grew up in a big city (though grew up quite conservative and in Arizona) I can personally attest to using dog whistles myself in the past and being surrounded by a community of people that used them as well. Sure an accusation of one is just that and doesn't stand alone, but it shouldn't be completely dismissed either, it's easy for us White people to dismiss such things but that's literally white privilege.

    We can only fight racism by being honest about racism.
     

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