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LOL I do believe most of the Constitution is written, in pretty easy to understand language. I'm not in favor of changing it.
No changes as long as you agree with them, but if not grab a gun to take down the 'oppressive' government, right.
I don't want to kill anybody.
Nor do the immigrants.
I do find it interesting that folks are okay with killing 8 & 9 month old fetuses though.
Funny you should mention abortion. More right-wing radical illegals.
 

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Not seeing your argument. Municipalities don't make immigration policy the federal government does. Local law enforcement isn't obligated to enforce federal law but they can't hinder federal agents from doing so.
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Those SWAT teams are being sent in to imitate the locals. The president personal militia to bring fear...
 

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Not seeing your argument. Municipalities don't make immigration policy the federal government does. Local law enforcement isn't obligated to enforce federal law but they can't hinder federal agents from doing so.
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All good points. The order in question seems to be more I am the boss than anything else.
 

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Those SWAT teams are being sent in to imitate the locals. The president personal militia to bring fear...
IMHO it will either be a small or big failure.
 

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Those SWAT teams are being sent in to imitate the locals. The president personal militia to bring fear...
If said Swat teams are using violence to suppress voters or political demonstrators then yes. If there trying to detain armed illegal aliens in street gangs then not so much.
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All good points. The order in question seems to be more I am the boss than anything else.
President Kennedy sent in armed US Deputy Marshalls to protect Medger Evers and in other similar cases black people being threatened by white mobs when the local law enforcement would look the other way. So not seeing why federal agents have to respect sanctuary cities where illegals definitely commit violent crimes.
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No changes as long as you agree with them, but if not grab a gun to take down the 'oppressive' government, right.

Nor do the immigrants.

Funny you should mention abortion. More right-wing radical illegals.
You should spend time with illegal aliens in street and or prison gangs to see what they think about the sanctity of life.
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No changes as long as you agree with them, but if not grab a gun to take down the 'oppressive' government, right.
Nope.

If folks want to change the Constitutional amendments, change them. I believe the process is 2/3 majority in both houses, & ratification by 3/4 of the states. Like the rest of the Constitution, I agree with this process.

Nor do the immigrants.
Plenty of illegal alien gang members, disagree with your assessment.
 

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You need to have a wider range of experience. Spend time with big city gang squad or spend time as I did in immigration court like I did.
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I' ll stick with the locals, thanks.
 

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The ones in the Mexican Restaurants seem OK to me.
You need to have a wider range of experience. Spend time with big city gang squad or spend time as I did in immigration court like I did.
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Some folks would rather pretend these issues don't exist.

@Kirk's Raider's We don't agree on a lot when it comes to politics. However, it's refreshing to hear someone with your political ideology, not bury their head in the sand, on this very important issue.
 

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210,000 inhabitants is clearly some peaceful hamlet
If you believe that illegal aliens commit no crimes in the US then you need to spend some time in areas where they live or immigration court. I worked in an immigration court so I know what goes on.
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If you believe that illegal aliens commit no crimes in the US then you need to spend some time in areas where they live or immigration court. I worked in an immigration court so I know what goes on.
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And I believe you should have some figures to back you up before you demand I spend thousands of dollars and weeks or more of time so you can say 'I told you so' after riding around in crappy transportation.

It seems that it is statistically riskier to ride around with you on one of your joy rides than with an illegal alien.
Relationship between immigration status and crime
According to empirical evidence, immigrants (including illegal immigrants) are less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizens in the United States.[1][2][3][4][5]

A 2018 study found that undocumented immigration to the United States did not increase violent crime rates.[6] A 2017 study found that "Increased undocumented immigration was significantly associated with reductions in drug arrests, drug overdose deaths, and DUI arrests, net of other factors."[7] A 2017 study found that California's extension of driving licenses to unauthorized immigrants "did not increase the total number of accidents or the occurrence of fatal accidents, but it did reduce the likelihood of hit and run accidents, thereby improving traffic safety and reducing costs for California drivers ... providing unauthorized immigrants with access to driver's licenses can create positive externalities for the communities in which they live."[8]

A 2018 study in the American Economic Journal: Economic Policy found that by restricting the employment opportunities for unauthorized immigrants, the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) likely caused an increase in crime rates.[9][10] A 2018 PLOS One study estimated that the undocumented immigrant population in the United States was 22 million, approximately twice as large as the estimate derived from the United States Census Bureau's figures. An author of the study notes that this has implications for the relationship between undocumented immigration and crime, suggesting that the crime rate among undocumented immigrants is significantly lower than previously estimated: "You have the same number of crimes but now spread over twice as many people as was believed before, which right away means that the crime rate among undocumented immigrants is essentially half whatever was previously believed."[11]

According to analysis of the 2010 United States Census, "immigrants to the United States are significantly less likely than native-born citizens to be incarcerated. The authors found that 1.6 percent of immigrant males age 18-39 are incarcerated, compared to 3.3 percent of the native-born... The divide was even sharper when the authors examined the incarceration rate among immigrant men the authors believe likely to be undocumented — specifically less-educated men from El Salvador and Guatemala between age 18-29. ... According to the analysis, these likely undocumented immigrants had an incarceration rate of 1.7 percent, compared with 10.7 percent for native-born men without a high school diploma".[12]

A 2018 study found no evidence that apprehensions of undocumented immigrants in districts in the United States reduced crime rates.[13]

According to immigration analyst Alex Nowrasteh, and criminologist Barry Latzer, Texas is the only state that tracks illegal immigrants by the specific crime committed.[14][15][16] Homicide data are regarded as more accurate than data on other crimes because "a much higher proportion of murders are solved."[16] The Texas data for 2016 showed that the rate of murder convictions in 2016 was 3.2 per 100,000 native-born Americans, 0.9 for every 100,000 legal immigrants and 1.8 per 100,000 illegal immigrants.[14][15]
 

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And I believe you should have some figures to back you up before you demand I spend thousands of dollars and weeks or more of time so you can say 'I told you so' after riding around in crappy transportation.

It seems that it is statistically riskier to ride around with you on one of your joy rides than with an illegal alien.
Relationship between immigration status and crime
According to empirical evidence, immigrants (including illegal immigrants) are less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizens in the United States.[1][2][3][4][5]

A 2018 study found that undocumented immigration to the United States did not increase violent crime rates.[6] A 2017 study found that "Increased undocumented immigration was significantly associated with reductions in drug arrests, drug overdose deaths, and DUI arrests, net of other factors."[7] A 2017 study found that California's extension of driving licenses to unauthorized immigrants "did not increase the total number of accidents or the occurrence of fatal accidents, but it did reduce the likelihood of hit and run accidents, thereby improving traffic safety and reducing costs for California drivers ... providing unauthorized immigrants with access to driver's licenses can create positive externalities for the communities in which they live."[8]

A 2018 study in the American Economic Journal: Economic Policy found that by restricting the employment opportunities for unauthorized immigrants, the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) likely caused an increase in crime rates.[9][10] A 2018 PLOS One study estimated that the undocumented immigrant population in the United States was 22 million, approximately twice as large as the estimate derived from the United States Census Bureau's figures. An author of the study notes that this has implications for the relationship between undocumented immigration and crime, suggesting that the crime rate among undocumented immigrants is significantly lower than previously estimated: "You have the same number of crimes but now spread over twice as many people as was believed before, which right away means that the crime rate among undocumented immigrants is essentially half whatever was previously believed."[11]

According to analysis of the 2010 United States Census, "immigrants to the United States are significantly less likely than native-born citizens to be incarcerated. The authors found that 1.6 percent of immigrant males age 18-39 are incarcerated, compared to 3.3 percent of the native-born... The divide was even sharper when the authors examined the incarceration rate among immigrant men the authors believe likely to be undocumented — specifically less-educated men from El Salvador and Guatemala between age 18-29. ... According to the analysis, these likely undocumented immigrants had an incarceration rate of 1.7 percent, compared with 10.7 percent for native-born men without a high school diploma".[12]

A 2018 study found no evidence that apprehensions of undocumented immigrants in districts in the United States reduced crime rates.[13]

According to immigration analyst Alex Nowrasteh, and criminologist Barry Latzer, Texas is the only state that tracks illegal immigrants by the specific crime committed.[14][15][16] Homicide data are regarded as more accurate than data on other crimes because "a much higher proportion of murders are solved."[16] The Texas data for 2016 showed that the rate of murder convictions in 2016 was 3.2 per 100,000 native-born Americans, 0.9 for every 100,000 legal immigrants and 1.8 per 100,000 illegal immigrants.[14][15]
I know first hand illegals commit crimes. Maybe they do commit less per capita then US citizens. On the other hand the native born children of said illegals do join gangs not all but quite a few.
Since the beginning of the US immigrants push down wages for the native born . Wages rose from WW2 to 1965 before LBJ opened up immigration to non whites with the 1965 Immigration Reform Act.
So immigration is a complex issue there are winners and losers.
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According to immigration analyst Alex Nowrasteh, and criminologist Barry Latzer, Texas is the only state that tracks illegal immigrants by the specific crime committed.[14][15][16] Homicide data are regarded as more accurate than data on other crimes because "a much higher proportion of murders are solved."[16] The Texas data for 2016 showed that the rate of murder convictions in 2016 was 3.2 per 100,000 native-born Americans, 0.9 for every 100,000 legal immigrants and 1.8 per 100,000 illegal immigrants.[14][15]
1,600,000 illegals in Texas. 1.8/100,000 = 29. That's 2 plus dozen murders/year, by people who shouldn't even be here, just in Texas.

If that ratio was the same nationally, that's nearly 200 families per year, that are devastated by people that should not even be here. This is just murder, & doesn't include other violent crime, & non-violent crime.

https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/interactives/u-s-unauthorized-immigrants-by-state/
 

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