Mobile Creoles and what in the world are Black Confederates in the 1860s

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The following act of the Alabama State Legislature is the authority for the enrollment of the "Creole Guards" of Mobile.: This act was passed because state law in Alabama restricted service in the Militia to white males. Without this exception, the Creoles could not serve. Emphasis is mine.
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AN ACT to authorize the enrollment of the Creoles of Mobile.

SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the State of Alabama in General Assembly convened, That certain persons of mixed blood, residing in the city and county of Mobile, commonly known as Creoles, be, and the same are hereby, authorized to be enrolled as militia for the defense of the city and county of Mobile, if in the opinion of the mayor of the city it is expedient.

SEC. 2. Be it further enacted, That the enrollment authorized by the first section of this act shall be made as follows, to wit: The mayor shall enroll such male Creoles between the ages of eighteen years and fifty years who wish to be enrolled. He shall then divide them into suitable companies, and appoint some discreet white man as commissioned officer to command said companies. Said companies shall be confined exclusively to the defense of the city and county of Mobile, and shall be under the command of the military authorities in the city of Mobile.
Approved November 20, 1862.
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HEADQUARTERS DEPARTMENT OF THE GULF,
Mobile, Ala., November 7, 1863.
General SAMUEL COOPER,
Adjt. and Insp. Gen., C.S. Army, Richmond, Va.:

GENERAL: I again call your attention to my request to accept into the Confederate service the company of creoles of Mobile, because I think that perhaps the War Department is not exactly informed about the people I have reference to. When Spain ceded this territory to the United States in 1803, the creoles were guaranteed all the immunities and privileges of the citizens of the United States, and have continued to enjoy them up to this time. They have, many of them, negro blood in the degree which disqualifies other persons of negro race from the rights of citizens, but they do not stand here on the footing of negroes. They are very anxious to enter the Confederate service, and I propose to make heavy artillerists of them, for which they will be admirably qualified. Please let me hear at your earliest convenience if I may have them enrolled in a company, or in companies if I can find enough of them to make more than one company.

I am, general, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
DABNEY H. MAURY,
Major-General.
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[First indorsement.]
ADJUTANT AND INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE,
November 20, 1863.
Respectfully submitted to the Secretary of War. An application to have a company of creoles at Mobile accepted into Confederate service.
By order, &c.:
JOHN W. RIELY,
Captain and Assistant Adjutant-General.

[Second indorsement.]
[NOVEMBER] 24, 1863.
Our position with the North and before the world will not allow the employment as armed soldiers of negroes. If these creoles can be naturally and properly discriminated from negroes, the authority may be considered as conferred; otherwise not, unless you can enlist them as "navvies" (to use the English term) or for subordinate working purposes.
J. A. S.,
Secretary.
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This appears to me to be evidence that mixed-race individuals that can be discriminated from negroes were "White Confederates" and therefore cannot be considered to be "Black Confedeates"
 

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The following act of the Alabama State Legislature is the authority for the enrollment of the "Creole Guards" of Mobile.: This act was passed because state law in Alabama restricted service in the Militia to white males. Without this exception, the Creoles could not serve. Emphasis is mine.
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AN ACT to authorize the enrollment of the Creoles of Mobile.

SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the State of Alabama in General Assembly convened, That certain persons of mixed blood, residing in the city and county of Mobile, commonly known as Creoles, be, and the same are hereby, authorized to be enrolled as militia for the defense of the city and county of Mobile, if in the opinion of the mayor of the city it is expedient.

SEC. 2. Be it further enacted, That the enrollment authorized by the first section of this act shall be made as follows, to wit: The mayor shall enroll such male Creoles between the ages of eighteen years and fifty years who wish to be enrolled. He shall then divide them into suitable companies, and appoint some discreet white man as commissioned officer to command said companies. Said companies shall be confined exclusively to the defense of the city and county of Mobile, and shall be under the command of the military authorities in the city of Mobile.
Approved November 20, 1862.
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HEADQUARTERS DEPARTMENT OF THE GULF,
Mobile, Ala., November 7, 1863.
General SAMUEL COOPER,
Adjt. and Insp. Gen., C.S. Army, Richmond, Va.:

GENERAL: I again call your attention to my request to accept into the Confederate service the company of creoles of Mobile, because I think that perhaps the War Department is not exactly informed about the people I have reference to. When Spain ceded this territory to the United States in 1803, the creoles were guaranteed all the immunities and privileges of the citizens of the United States, and have continued to enjoy them up to this time. They have, many of them, negro blood in the degree which disqualifies other persons of negro race from the rights of citizens, but they do not stand here on the footing of negroes. They are very anxious to enter the Confederate service, and I propose to make heavy artillerists of them, for which they will be admirably qualified. Please let me hear at your earliest convenience if I may have them enrolled in a company, or in companies if I can find enough of them to make more than one company.

I am, general, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
DABNEY H. MAURY,
Major-General.
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[First indorsement.]
ADJUTANT AND INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE,
November 20, 1863.
Respectfully submitted to the Secretary of War. An application to have a company of creoles at Mobile accepted into Confederate service.
By order, &c.:
JOHN W. RIELY,
Captain and Assistant Adjutant-General.

[Second indorsement.]
[NOVEMBER] 24, 1863.
Our position with the North and before the world will not allow the employment as armed soldiers of negroes. If these creoles can be naturally and properly discriminated from negroes, the authority may be considered as conferred; otherwise not, unless you can enlist them as "navvies" (to use the English term) or for subordinate working purposes.
J. A. S.,
Secretary.
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This appears to me to be evidence that mixed-race individuals that can be discriminated from negroes were "White Confederates" and therefore cannot be considered to be "Black Confedeates"
Many segregated societies such has South Africa had separate Coloured Troops. The difference is the South African Cap Corps saw combat vs the Confederacy which did not deploy Colored combat troops. It is true that the Cape Corps was on and of again disbanded and then reinstated but they most definitely saw combat.
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Many segregated societies such has South Africa had separate Coloured Troops. The difference is the South African Cap Corps saw combat vs the Confederacy which did not deploy Colored combat troops. It is true that the Cape Corps was on and of again disbanded and then reinstated but they most definitely saw combat.
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Concerned with how black is needed to be in a non white unit.
 

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The following act of the Alabama State Legislature is the authority for the enrollment of the "Creole Guards" of Mobile.: This act was passed because state law in Alabama restricted service in the Militia to white males. Without this exception, the Creoles could not serve. Emphasis is mine.
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AN ACT to authorize the enrollment of the Creoles of Mobile.

SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the State of Alabama in General Assembly convened, That certain persons of mixed blood, residing in the city and county of Mobile, commonly known as Creoles, be, and the same are hereby, authorized to be enrolled as militia for the defense of the city and county of Mobile, if in the opinion of the mayor of the city it is expedient.

SEC. 2. Be it further enacted, That the enrollment authorized by the first section of this act shall be made as follows, to wit: The mayor shall enroll such male Creoles between the ages of eighteen years and fifty years who wish to be enrolled. He shall then divide them into suitable companies, and appoint some discreet white man as commissioned officer to command said companies. Said companies shall be confined exclusively to the defense of the city and county of Mobile, and shall be under the command of the military authorities in the city of Mobile.
Approved November 20, 1862.
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HEADQUARTERS DEPARTMENT OF THE GULF,
Mobile, Ala., November 7, 1863.
General SAMUEL COOPER,
Adjt. and Insp. Gen., C.S. Army, Richmond, Va.:

GENERAL: I again call your attention to my request to accept into the Confederate service the company of creoles of Mobile, because I think that perhaps the War Department is not exactly informed about the people I have reference to. When Spain ceded this territory to the United States in 1803, the creoles were guaranteed all the immunities and privileges of the citizens of the United States, and have continued to enjoy them up to this time. They have, many of them, negro blood in the degree which disqualifies other persons of negro race from the rights of citizens, but they do not stand here on the footing of negroes. They are very anxious to enter the Confederate service, and I propose to make heavy artillerists of them, for which they will be admirably qualified. Please let me hear at your earliest convenience if I may have them enrolled in a company, or in companies if I can find enough of them to make more than one company.

I am, general, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
DABNEY H. MAURY,
Major-General.
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[First indorsement.]
ADJUTANT AND INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE,
November 20, 1863.
Respectfully submitted to the Secretary of War. An application to have a company of creoles at Mobile accepted into Confederate service.
By order, &c.:
JOHN W. RIELY,
Captain and Assistant Adjutant-General.

[Second indorsement.]
[NOVEMBER] 24, 1863.
Our position with the North and before the world will not allow the employment as armed soldiers of negroes. If these creoles can be naturally and properly discriminated from negroes, the authority may be considered as conferred; otherwise not, unless you can enlist them as "navvies" (to use the English term) or for subordinate working purposes.
J. A. S.,
Secretary.
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This appears to me to be evidence that mixed-race individuals that can be discriminated from negroes were "White Confederates" and therefore cannot be considered to be "Black Confedeates"
Great post.

As I have shared before Creoles and most mixed-race individuals who were free --and either Free People of Color (FPOC) and/or Creole -- not to be confused with Free NEGRO -- stayed in court and in their community pleading to be seen, recognized as NOT BLACK/NEGRO or Creole or Mixed/Mulatto --- but WHITE. But, if they couldn't -- they would be Creole or FPOC or "Mulatto"-- anything but BLACK/Negro.

Even if you read through just some of these cases: http://library.uncg.edu/slavery/petitions/results.aspx?s=3&sid=97

You will see that they make note who is "FREE NEGRO/Black" and who is Free Person of Color or Free Person of Mixed Blood. There was a difference in classification and standing.
 

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Great post.

As I have shared before Creoles and most mixed-race individuals who were free --and either Free People of Color (FPOC) and/or Creole -- not to be confused with Free NEGRO -- stayed in court and in their community pleading to be seen, recognized as NOT BLACK/NEGRO or Creole or Mixed/Mulatto --- but WHITE. But, if they couldn't -- they would be Creole or FPOC or "Mulatto"-- anything but BLACK/Negro.

Even if you read through just some of these cases: http://library.uncg.edu/slavery/petitions/results.aspx?s=3&sid=97

You will see that they make note who is "FREE NEGRO/Black" and who is Free Person of Color or Free Person of Mixed Blood. There was a difference in classification and standing.
Thanks for that clarification. IMHO if one could pass as white, they did. CSA recruiters would recruit them. The US army would put them in the regular US army. Then we have colored consisting of Creole/Mixed/Mulattos anything but black with black being the least desirable split into free black and slave. The US army would give them a rifle and the CS army would give them a shovel or skillet.
 

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In the Spanish colonies of the Americas there were a large number of social classes based on different combinations of white, black, and/or native blood.

In contrast the colonies, USA, and CSA tried to make everyone either white or black. Creoles in New Orleans and Mobile were a rare exception.

I wonder how the Confederate government expected them to be "discriminated from Negroes"? Was he implying "if they look white they are white"? That seems to have been the unofficial social policy in the South with regard to mulattos in the antebellum period.
 

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In the Spanish colonies of the Americas there were a large number of social classes based on different combinations of white, black, and/or native blood.

In contrast the colonies, USA, and CSA tried to make everyone either white or black. Creoles in New Orleans and Mobile were a rare exception.

I wonder how the Confederate government expected them to be "discriminated from Negroes"? Was he implying "if they look white they are white"? That seems to have been the unofficial social policy in the South with regard to mulattos in the antebellum period.
That is correct. There are no birth certificates or DNA tests to check. The recruiter looks and if the man looks white, he is white.
 
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