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Less sarcasm and more facts, please.What you cult of Grant believers want to believe Grant wrote volume 2 without help
Less sarcasm and more facts, please.What you cult of Grant believers want to believe Grant wrote volume 2 without help
Good info. On pain killers, they were abundant and did not neet a prescription at the time.What you cult of Grant believers want to believe Grant wrote volume 2 without help... Note Grant died July 3 1885... here is Dawson words the stenographer...
Link: https://www.granthomepage.com/inttwain.htm
Snip... Volume 2 has not been started until April 1885... he dies in July... that is a lot of words...
At the time I came to work with the General, in April, most of the first volume of the Memoirs was done. This was written almost entirely with his own hand, and only a few corrections were made by him, and these related to the Vicksburg campaign. Very little of the second volume had been written, though he had written some of the Wilderness campaign, in accordance with his arrangement with the Century magazine to write them four articles.
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After I came he began to dictate, and he continued this as long as he was able to do so. As he went on his voice became weaker and weaker, and toward the last, I had to take my seat very close to his, and he whispered his words in my ear while I took them down in shorthand. His last dictation was on the 22nd of June, 1885.
Snip... he is working 2 hours a day.... first began and only got worst from there... He writing ideas not stories…
After this he would sit with his pad on his knee near me, and would write down his ideas and sometimes doodle. He was very weak, and his hand grew more and more trembling as he neared his death. When I first began, his working hours were from 10 until 12 in the morning. Then in the afternoon, his daughter-in-law, Mrs. Jesse Grant (Elizabeth) would read to him out of the books and refresh his memory, and he would sit with his notebook in hand and make notes.
Snip... read this they lied to him to make him feel to completed his task... again ideas not stories being written down...
The dictation for him was painful and his voice got lower and lower as he went on. At last it was a mere whisper and then it stopped altogether. I shall never forget his joy at the completion of his book. He was so afraid in the last weeks that he couldn't finish it or revise it. In writing his book, he used a yellow manila legal pad with blue lines and he wrote with a pencil. The work tired him very much, and at the end, he was only able to scratch down his ideas. I saw at last that he had reached the end and all he could do was wait for death.
Snip... they are being merciful with to Grant... they could not read the volume 2 to him...
In July, 1885, we were practically at the end, and I said to Fred Grant, "I think we had better tell your father that the book is done." Colonel Fred then told him. At first he hardly realized it, then he was very happy for a short period. He told those around him that his book was finished and he wanted it all read aloud to him. The next day, however, he was not so well, and he never got to the point where we could read aloud to him the second volume. It was only a few days after this that he died.
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The General spent some of his last days with his daughter, Nellie, and he seemed to want her near him as much as possible as the end approached.
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After the General's death on July 23 (1885), I hunted up all the slips of paper that the General had written upon and gave them to Colonel Fred and Mrs. Grant, except about a dozen that were written personally to me. Some of these notes relate to his book. Personally, the General was the most delightful and generous man I ever knew. He was always cautious in writing or talking, so as not to injure the feelings of anyone, and I remember many touching incidents of how he cut out sentences which he thought might hurt someone. He was hypersensitive in this regard and often imagined things might hurt someone when they might well have been left in. Had he been able and strong, he would have probably made his Memoirs comprise his whole life, but as it was, he was glad to be able to finish his military career.
Link: https://www.granthomepage.com/grantlaststand.htm
The can read and believe a man in the 19th century without modern pain killers was writing thousands of pages a day... his last three month of life... We are not talking about all the visitors he was getting those last months of his life too... The time line does not hold Grant had two months at best to write volume 2... common sense has to kick in... If I was a guessing man Fred finished the memoir... He did write part of his mother's as well... a thought
The only reason for the merry-go-round is because people do not want to use the common sense...
Now you're lying by claiming I said he had no help at all. The words in Volume 2 are all Grant's. He dictated some of it to Fred and to Noble Dawson, but it all came from Grant. If you can't discuss something honestly, then no one should discuss anything with you at all.What you cult of Grant believers want to believe Grant wrote volume 2 without help... Note Grant died July 3 1885... here is Dawson words the stenographer...
Link: https://www.granthomepage.com/inttwain.htm
Snip... Volume 2 has not been started until April 1885... he dies in July... that is a lot of words...
At the time I came to work with the General, in April, most of the first volume of the Memoirs was done. This was written almost entirely with his own hand, and only a few corrections were made by him, and these related to the Vicksburg campaign. Very little of the second volume had been written, though he had written some of the Wilderness campaign, in accordance with his arrangement with the Century magazine to write them four articles.
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After I came he began to dictate, and he continued this as long as he was able to do so. As he went on his voice became weaker and weaker, and toward the last, I had to take my seat very close to his, and he whispered his words in my ear while I took them down in shorthand. His last dictation was on the 22nd of June, 1885.
Snip... he is working 2 hours a day.... first began and only got worst from there... He writing ideas not stories…
After this he would sit with his pad on his knee near me, and would write down his ideas and sometimes doodle. He was very weak, and his hand grew more and more trembling as he neared his death. When I first began, his working hours were from 10 until 12 in the morning. Then in the afternoon, his daughter-in-law, Mrs. Jesse Grant (Elizabeth) would read to him out of the books and refresh his memory, and he would sit with his notebook in hand and make notes.
Snip... read this they lied to him to make him feel to completed his task... again ideas not stories being written down...
The dictation for him was painful and his voice got lower and lower as he went on. At last it was a mere whisper and then it stopped altogether. I shall never forget his joy at the completion of his book. He was so afraid in the last weeks that he couldn't finish it or revise it. In writing his book, he used a yellow manila legal pad with blue lines and he wrote with a pencil. The work tired him very much, and at the end, he was only able to scratch down his ideas. I saw at last that he had reached the end and all he could do was wait for death.
Snip... they are being merciful with to Grant... they could not read the volume 2 to him...
In July, 1885, we were practically at the end, and I said to Fred Grant, "I think we had better tell your father that the book is done." Colonel Fred then told him. At first he hardly realized it, then he was very happy for a short period. He told those around him that his book was finished and he wanted it all read aloud to him. The next day, however, he was not so well, and he never got to the point where we could read aloud to him the second volume. It was only a few days after this that he died.
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The General spent some of his last days with his daughter, Nellie, and he seemed to want her near him as much as possible as the end approached.
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After the General's death on July 23 (1885), I hunted up all the slips of paper that the General had written upon and gave them to Colonel Fred and Mrs. Grant, except about a dozen that were written personally to me. Some of these notes relate to his book. Personally, the General was the most delightful and generous man I ever knew. He was always cautious in writing or talking, so as not to injure the feelings of anyone, and I remember many touching incidents of how he cut out sentences which he thought might hurt someone. He was hypersensitive in this regard and often imagined things might hurt someone when they might well have been left in. Had he been able and strong, he would have probably made his Memoirs comprise his whole life, but as it was, he was glad to be able to finish his military career.
Link: https://www.granthomepage.com/grantlaststand.htm
The can read and believe a man in the 19th century without modern pain killers was writing thousands of pages a day... his last three month of life... We are not talking about all the visitors he was getting those last months of his life too... The time line does not hold Grant had two months at best to write volume 2... common sense has to kick in... If I was a guessing man Fred finished the memoir... He did write part of his mother's as well... a thought
The only reason for the merry-go-round is because people do not want to use the common sense...
This has been known to happen on the other site.Now you're lying by claiming I said he had no help at all. The words in Volume 2 are all Grant's. He dictated some of it to Fred and to Noble Dawson, but it all came from Grant. If you can't discuss something honestly, then no one should discuss anything with you at all.
If I did I apologized claiming your were lying....Now you're lying by claiming I said he had no help at all
It is obvious you did not read Dawson honest words... and you did not look at the time line and you choose to think a man dying of cancer in his last two months will be able to put out thousands of words daily without any modern pain killers... You must not have taken notes when Dawson said Grant was only putting down ideas not narratives. If you read not only Dawson but other descriptions of Grant in his last days you see he was hurting...The words in Volume 2 are all Grant's
Many things have been known to happen, over there. That is one of the things that made it interesting, not to mention the great recipesThis has been known to happen on the other site.
Moot point. How many wounded were still alive at the time of the truce?Again, the 20 minutes is a myth. The attack lasted an hour.
Moot point. Both Lee and Grant behaved poorly in that case.Moot point. How many wounded were still alive at the time of the truce?
Yes as humanitarians, however, the majority of wounded were federal. Therefore the extended delay was Grant’s avoidance of formality.Moot point. Both Lee and Grant behaved poorly in that case.
And Lee's insistence on formality. They were both equally to blame.Yes as humanitarians, however, the majority of wounded were federal. Therefore the extended delay was Grant’s avoidance of formality.
Pride, kills more people than bullets or selectively dropped bombs.They were both equally to blame.
My numbers are not myths...Myth.
He does not apologize for the assault. He is making an assessment of the assault not condemning or implying it was a mistake.At Cold Harbor no advantage whatever was gained to compensate for the heavy loss we sustained. Indeed, the advantages other than those of relative losses, were on the Confederate side.
The link to it all: https://almostchosenpeople.wordpress.com/2018/06/03/june-3-1864-cold-harbor-not-war-but-murder/Both Lee and Grant behaved poorly in that case.