Brexit: Can Anyone Take the Wheel From Johnson?

[rittmeister]

The EU could of tried to stop the refugees more vigorously as did Hungry.
I stipulate that US foreign policy failures certainly helped the rise of ISIS.
On the other hand it wasn't the US that openly massacred civilians in Syria. ISIS was for a few years an important military and political force in Syria.
Kirk's Raider's

like what? shooting them? orban's hungary put them in trains and shipped them to the austrian border

no iraq war -> no isis -> a lot less refugees

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

The EU could of tried to stop the refugees more vigorously as did Hungry.
I stipulate that US foreign policy failures certainly helped the rise of ISIS.
On the other hand it wasn't the US that openly massacred civilians in Syria. ISIS was for a few years an important military and political force in Syria.
Kirk's Raider's

The EU could ship them all to the countries responsible

USA / UK / France responsibilities % change with country of refugee origin

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

like what? shooting them? orban's hungary put them in trains and shipped them to the austrian border

no iraq war -> no isis -> a lot less refugees

If the EU member states were more supportive of Hungary then the refugees could of been stopped at the Hungarian border's. Has far has how much force should be used that is a political decision.
I already stipulated that US foreign policy definitely led to the rise of ISIS. Also US foreign policy helped lead to the creation of Al Quidea.
Kirk's Raider's

 

[rittmeister]

If the EU member states were more supportive of Hungary then the refugees could of been stopped at the Hungarian border's. Has far has how much force should be used that is a political decision.
I already stipulated that US foreign policy definitely led to the rise of ISIS. Also US foreign policy helped lead to the creation of Al Quidea.
Kirk's Raider's

so we stop them at the hungarian border - and then? shoot them?

merkel led them into germany (making orban happy) and simultaneously searched for ways enabling them to stay where they are from or where they were at that moment. a million euros helps a lot more refugees in syria than in germany but those already in hungary had to be taken care of, hadn't they. orban then built a fence (even to another eu country) and wanted to be reimbursed by the eu (he wasn't)

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[Kirk's Raider's]

so we stop them at the hungarian border - and then? shoot them?

merkel led them into germany (making orban happy) and simultaneously searched for ways enabling them to stay where they are from or where they were at that moment. a million euros helps a lot more refugees in syria than in germany but those already in hungary had to be taken care of, hadn't they. orban then built a fence (even to another eu country) and wanted to be reimbursed by the eu (he wasn't)

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How exactly one stops a large group of desperate refugees is problematic but today's refugees can bite the hand that feeds them. It's not like former refugees can't be tomorrows terrorists or criminals. Certainly plenty of examples. Ask Swedish woman how safe they feel due to mass immigration.
With a much higher fertility rate then German woman it's not likely Germany will be a major Germanic nation in the future.
Kirk's Raider's

 

[rittmeister]

How exactly one stops a large group of desperate refugees is problematic but today's refugees can bite the hand that feeds them. It's not like former refugees can't be tomorrows terrorists or criminals. Certainly plenty of examples. Ask Swedish woman how safe they feel due to mass immigration.
With a much higher fertility rate then German woman it's not likely Germany will be a major Germanic nation in the future.
Kirk's Raider's

without people from abroad and our birth rates who's going to pay for our pensions? your obsession with pink people is startling - we* need world interior politics and surely we* need to stop randomly bombing folks

... and btw, without keeping our inhabitants at roughly 80 million we won't be a major nation anyway - no matter in what respect

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* we as in the human race

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

without people from abroad and our birth rates who's going to pay for our pensions? your obsession with pink people is startling - we* need world interior politics and surely we* need to stop randomly bombing folks

... and btw, without keeping our inhabitants at roughly 80 million we won't be a major nation anyway - no matter in what respect

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* we as in the human race

One can pay indigenous German woman to have babies as did the Soviet Union did.
If one believes in open borders that is fine just don't be under the illusion that ones nation will retain whatever unique characteristics that made it a nation in the first place.
Kirk's Raider's

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

How exactly one stops a large group of desperate refugees is problematic but today's refugees can bite the hand that feeds them.

even a fat man could do it

 

[O' Be Joyful]

 

[O' Be Joyful]

'He’s got a battle on his hands': could Uxbridge unseat Boris Johnson?

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

'He’s got a battle on his hands': could Uxbridge unseat Boris Johnson?

To be fair we have no idea how Brexit will work out since once again the EU has extended the Brexit exit date.
We have no idea if Labor or any leftist party would beat the Conservative Party. Per the polls Labor would loose. Of course we have to wait and see since a day is a lifetime in politics. It is difficult to envision that any nation in the EU would not try to negotiate a free trade or at least very low tariff agreement with the UK arguably the fifth largest economy in the world.
Kirk's Raider's

 

[rittmeister]

To be fair we have no idea how Brexit will work out since once again the EU has extended the Brexit exit date.
We have no idea if Labor or any leftist party would beat the Conservative Party. Per the polls Labor would loose. Of course we have to wait and see since a day is a lifetime in politics. It is difficult to envision that any nation in the EU would not try to negotiate a free trade or at least very low tariff agreement with the UK arguably the fifth largest economy in the world.
Kirk's Raider's

labour (there is a U in it) is no leftiest party. they are just left. of course from an american pov they are fucking communists - but so is angela merkel. obama would be considered on the right over here.

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

labour (there is a U in it) is no leftiest party. they are just left. of course from an american pov they are fucking communists - but so is angela merkel. obama would be considered on the right over here.

Political labels are of subjective at best but from a British Conservative Party or Democratic Ulster Party perspective the Labour Party is leftist.
Kirk's Raider's

 

[rittmeister]

Political labels are of subjective at best but from a British Conservative Party or Democratic Ulster Party perspective the Labour Party is leftist.
Kirk's Raider's

what would that 'british conservative party' be - can you name it? - the dup is recognized as a bunch of madmen by anyone but their voters in europe; they are to the right of the 'tea party' - a lot to the right.

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

what would that 'british conservative party' be - can you name it? - the dup is recognized as a bunch of madmen by anyone but their voters in europe; they are to the right of the 'tea party' - a lot to the right.

So far you are just giving your opinions. There is a British Conservative Party that has been around for over a hundred years. The DUP is one of the smaller British Political Parties but in a divided country their five parliamentary seats are vital to the Conservative Party.
Whether or not the DUP is composed of lunatics or not is only an opinion.
Kirk's Raider's

 

[rittmeister]

So far you are just giving your opinions. There is a British Conservative Party that has been around for over a hundred years. The DUP is one of the smaller British Political Parties but in a divided country their five parliamentary seats are vital to the Conservative Party.
Whether or not the DUP is composed of lunatics or not is only an opinion.
Kirk's Raider's

name that party! hint: they don't care about their name
the dup is most likely the mostly bribed party in british history

... i'd really liked a discussion in which everyone knew what they are talking about - you don't. period.

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

name that party! hint: they don't care about their name
the dup is most likely the mostly bribed party in british history

... i'd really liked a discussion in which everyone knew what they are talking about - you don't. period.

You're just being arrogant. Have fun with some one else.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

There is a British Conservative Party that has been around for over a hundred years.

Und some, but not all, became Nazi sympathizers and their descendants live on. I do not understand your point.

Please clarify.

 

[rittmeister]

You're just being arrogant. Have fun with some one else.

you may call that arrogant (it ain't totally false btw) but you are putting america all over europe - and that's just bollocks

come back when you know what you're talking about - and, i promise - we'll have a discussion

 

[O' Be Joyful]

You're just being arrogant.

I plead guilty to that.

But, it is something that "just comes naturally to me." look up the song.