A Good Guy with a Gun vs Bad Guy with a Gun ( a myth )

O' Be Joyful · Nov 30, 2019

Kirk's Raider's said:
Let's look at what happened yesterday in London. At the London Bridge where previous stabbings have occurred it took the London Metropolitan police five minutes to arrive at approximately 1pm local time. A mass shooting is typically over by that time. In less then five minutes on a crowded bridge crossing just one man killed two people and severely injured three. Perhaps an armed citizen could of saved lives.
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Unarmed citizens in London saved lives by disregarding their own safety in favor of the lives of others.

Kirk's Raider's · Nov 30, 2019

O' Be Joyful said:
Unarmed citizens in London saved lives by disregarding their own safety in favor of the lives of others.

All due credit to said citizens. No doubt about their bravery. However an armed citizen could of saved lives. Not to say shooting a knife wielding suspect is a piece of cake far from it. On the other hand lives may of been saved.
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Kirk's Raider's · Nov 30, 2019

rittmeister said:
don't you think that with american gun laws the perpetrator would have shown up with sth more substantial than two knives. that perpetrator was wrestled down by unarmed civilians (most of them former inmates, btw). armed police (which is not standard in the uk) shot him 'cause he wore a (fake) suicide vest and they didn't want him to detonate it.

i'm still waiting for a couple of cases where good guys with guns stopped bad guys with guns. as that seems to happen all the time (at least if wayne lapierre is to be believed) it should be easy to provide examples, shouldn't it?

I can cite numerous examples when I get home.
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jgoodguy · Nov 30, 2019

Kirk's Raider's said:
I am not making an assertion. I am pointing out that American history is more similar to South Africa, Venezuela and Brazil then Western Europe . All four nations had slavery and are demographically and in culture closer to the US.
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As long as we are in agreement that gun advocates have to put the US in 3rd world status to make a point.

jgoodguy · Nov 30, 2019

Kirk's Raider's said:
Let's look at what happened yesterday in London. At the London Bridge where previous stabbings have occurred it took the London Metropolitan police five minutes to arrive at approximately 1pm local time. A mass shooting is typically over by that time. In less then five minutes on a crowded bridge crossing just one man killed two people and severely injured three. Perhaps an armed citizen could of saved lives.
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A man armed with a narwhal tusk took out the bad guy and saved lives.

Kirk's Raider's · Nov 30, 2019

jgoodguy said:
As long as we are in agreement that gun advocates have to put the US in 3rd world status to make a point.

Fortunately our West European friends have the joy of watching their nations follow our sterling example. I.e. the dramatic rise of rape in Sweden. Either women of child bearing age say 16 to 40 average 2.2. children or they don't. So far that's not the case in Western Europe. In Belgium the most common boys name is Mohammed. Yay!
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Kirk's Raider's · Nov 30, 2019

jgoodguy said:
A man armed with a narwhal tusk took out the bad guy and saved lives.

That's great and good news for the close relatives of the two dead and three badly wounded. In general an armed and trained citizen could of ended the attack much sooner.
Put it this way in the magnificent red states like say Alabama how many voters/gun owners really care what Harvard University researchers have to say about their God given right to own firearms and carry them for self defense?
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rittmeister · Nov 30, 2019

Kirk's Raider's said:
Fortunately our West European friends have the joy of watching their nations follow our sterling example. I.e. the dramatic rise of rape in Sweden. Either women of child bearing age say 16 to 40 average 2.2. children or they don't.

what is that even supossed to mean?

Kirk's Raider's said:
In Belgium the most common boys name is Mohammed. Yay!

that only means that 'native' belgians draw from bigger pool of names, doesn't it?

.... other that that both your remarks are totally off-topic

rittmeister · Nov 30, 2019

Kirk's Raider's said:
God given right to own firearms

really? got a quote from any holy book of your choice?

O' Be Joyful · Nov 30, 2019

Kirk's Raider's said:
God given right

The only God given Right I have every found in the Bible is to have the right to carry a the jaw bone of an ass to smite ones enemies.

Although, I am certain that it was open-carry at the time.

Kirk's Raider's · Nov 30, 2019

rittmeister said:
what is that even supossed to mean?

that only means that 'native' belgians draw from bigger pool of names, doesn't it?

.... other that that both your remarks are totally off-topic

Demographics is destiny my friend. How many non Moslem parents would name their sons Mohammad? Just saying Western Europe is quickly going to change. Native West Europeans may very well clamor for the right to carry concealed handguns. There is already done example from France.
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5fish · Nov 30, 2019

Kirk's Raider's said:
God given right to own firearms and carry them for self defense?

Woo... It Is not a god given right to own a gun...

It is a right given through our Constitution... To bear arms...

I like how facts do not mean anything now. It seems facts mean little if they go against ones false beliefs...

Kirk's Raider's · Nov 30, 2019

rittmeister said:
really? got a quote from any holy book of your choice?

Ask any Protestant man of the cloth in the red states or in rural areas of blue state's.
Or just go to a major church in a Republican Congressional district.
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rittmeister · Nov 30, 2019

Kirk's Raider's said:
Demographics is destiny my friend. How many non Moslem parents would name their sons Mohammad? Just saying Western Europe is quickly going to change. Native West Europeans may very well clamor for the right to carry concealed handguns. There is already done example from France.
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what percentage of muslim parents do? and what's the percentage for the top scoring 'native' name among 'native' belgians?

actual numbers are statiscally not that relevant but if you want to prove sth you need the number of birth not the top ten for names, don't you think?

... it's still off-topic

i really hate splitting threads -> if you want to discuss that, open a pertinent threadhttp://www.monstersmilies.to/gallery/details.php?image_id=2099

Kirk's Raider's · Nov 30, 2019

5fish said:
Woo... It Is not a god given right to own a gun...

It a right given through our Constitution... To bear arms...

I like how facts do not mean anything now. It seems facts mean little if they go against ones false beliefs...

Sure it is just ask the church goers. In a red Congressional district.
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rittmeister · Nov 30, 2019

Kirk's Raider's said:
Ask any Protestant man of the cloth in the red states or in rural areas of blue state's.
Or just go to a major church in a Republican Congressional district.
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that's an interpretation (and you exclude some of those guys) - as these people agree among themselves that we have the actual word of god somebody please show it to me in their book

Kirk's Raider's · Nov 30, 2019

rittmeister said:
that's an interpretation (and you exclude some of those guys) - as these people agree among themselves that we have the actual word of god somebody please show it to me in their book

Just ask Pat Robertson.
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5fish · Nov 30, 2019

Kirk's Raider's said:
Sure it is just ask the church goers. In a red Congressional district.
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Demographics is going to put end to Republicans ... Demographics is fate...

rittmeister · Nov 30, 2019

Kirk's Raider's said:
Just ask Pat Robertson.
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can he show it to me in the book that contains 'god's word'?

doesn't the seperation of church and state mean that whatever interpretation of the book one of those many sects wield is irrelevant under the eyes of the constitution?

... i may misunderstand that though - what does a stOOpid european know of these things anyway?

Kirk's Raider's · Dec 1, 2019

5fish said:
Demographics is going to put end to Republicans ... Demographics is fate...

Possibly so. Or it could lead to a Civil War.
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